RTÉ journo given 15months for sexually assaulting woman as she slept

walshb · 28-07-2022 05:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400206#Comment_119400206

I did give it. think. I would not have given a prison sentence. Maybe community service.

He pleaded not guilty, so there can always be doubt. You do understand the law, no? He could have been found not guilty here, you do realize this? Verdicts in trials are not always clear cut, open and shut.

anglesorangles · 28-07-2022 05:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400217#Comment_119400217

Theres no way he could have been found not guilty here. Nobody has made any attempt to explain how that would be possible. Fair enough anyway you agree he was very much in the wrong. Why then though did you have an issue with me using the phrase creep? I mean you agree he was guilty yes? And you think he should do community service yeah? So i mean a bloke thats convicted for sexual assault and is doing community service for it cant be labelled a creep? How very woke of you.

rob316 · 28-07-2022 05:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400203#Comment_119400203

Obviously something wrong with her mental well being in general, its just bizarre the whole case. You go back to a man's house, ye fool around together, go to sleep, he tries to keep it going, you say no, end of. Ye both turn over and go to sleep. There was nothing intimidating about this, predatory, premeditated. I get by the letter of the law its sexual assault but the law is an ass in this case, he didn't deserve any of this.

walshb · 28-07-2022 05:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400213#Comment_119400213

Again, more nonsense.....plenty plenty married couples now happy and in love who began dating when male was a few years older in the late teen/early 20s years....

But in your waprped mind these lads are creeps and weirdos.

rob316 · 28-07-2022 05:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400206#Comment_119400206

Suspended sentence, their is absolutely no benefit to locking him up with rapists and pedophiles. He's not a predator, he won't do it again, no danger to other women, glowing character references.

Mad_maxx · 28-07-2022 05:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400138#Comment_119400138

Not anymore than countless others who escaped jail

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The world is messy soldier, you'll discover this someday

anglesorangles · 28-07-2022 05:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400240#Comment_119400240

Okay so because you thinks loads of people do a crime its not a crime. Cool. Do ya know how this fella coulda escaped jail?

Mad_maxx · 28-07-2022 05:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400143#Comment_119400143

What she did was vindictive beyond belief

walshb · 28-07-2022 05:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400232#Comment_119400232

This is an absolute nutshell, and exactly why I was puzzled that it got to court.

And we had some posters on here painting this lad as the next Larry fooking Murphy with their childish and immature rapey creepy posts....

raclle · 28-07-2022 05:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119399399#Comment_119399399

So climbing on someone without going any further is sexual assault? Jesus fkn Christ

walshb · 28-07-2022 05:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400231#Comment_119400231

Where did I say he was very much wrong? Have you read my posts. I said it should not have went to court. I believe that that a prison sentence was wring.

Where did I say that I agree that he was guilty? He was found guilty. I never said he should have been found guilty

BUT it did got to court: and he was convicted, and you asked what punishment: so, community service I would apply as a judge!

anglesorangles · 28-07-2022 05:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400261#Comment_119400261

Oh i just assume you thought he at least did something wrong. Would ya have given the guilty verdict?

walshb · 28-07-2022 05:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400269#Comment_119400269

Thinking someone did something wrong, and then bringing to court, convicting and giving prison time aren't always the same thing.

The chap made an error that I do not believe warranted this amount of action and punishment. You think it was correct that he was charged, convicted and sentenced to prison. I don't! Can't be any clearer than this

hynesie08 · 28-07-2022 05:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400258#Comment_119400258

Do you think it's ok to climb on top of a sleeping person?

And yes.

Sexual assault is an act of physical assault that has a sexual aspect or motivation. It includes groping; forcibly kissing someone or any non-consensual sexual activity that does not involve penetration.

And since assault

causes another to believe on reasonable grounds that he or she is likely immediately to be subjected to any such force or impact,

If a woman woke up with you on top of her she'd have a very strong case for assault.

28-07-2022 05:52PM

We don't choose how we feel but I'm really surprised by the level of trauma the woman suffered in this case. Reflecting on my own experiences, I think that trauma would be warranted if she was blackout drunk, had no recollection of the night before and woke up to effectively a stranger groping her. It's the only scenario that makes sense to me. I know I've woken up in strange situations and it is unsettling.

anglesorangles · 28-07-2022 05:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400288#Comment_119400288

Fair enough.

walshb · 28-07-2022 05:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400308#Comment_119400308

To touch on your point of waking up in strange situations:

Relating to this case. How strange was it for her to wake up there?

It wasn't some complete stranger that broke into her house, or some lad who followed her home late at night

They were known to each other, spent time in each others company, went home together, became intimate through the night, and then they fell asleep. She woke to him kissing or groping (whatever actually happened). In terms of strange, it can't have been very strange a situation

Strange to me would be waking up in a house to a complete stranger... and her behavior afterwards with falling asleep, allowing him take her home, meeting te next day sees me lean with the view that this wasn't some scary/strange/terrifying ordeal/situation.

walshb · 28-07-2022 05:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400323#Comment_119400323

Agreed, I know we've had a lot of back and forth, and at times heated, so apologies if I was at all rude in my dealings with you.

anglesorangles · 28-07-2022 05:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400332#Comment_119400332

Yeah me too , i know i was a bit of a prick at times. Enjoy the long weekend.

raclle · 28-07-2022 06:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400203#Comment_119400203

You obviously know nothing about how trauma impacts people - not everyone freaks out instantly. It can take days, weeks, even years to manifest itself.

You actually believe this woman had a delayed reaction and was so traumatized as to attempt suicide but in the meantime managed to fit in a few sexual encounters? You surely cant be that gullible. Something else must have happened we are not been told. Even her own family/friends want nothing to do with her.

MrMusician18 · 28-07-2022 06:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400297#Comment_119400297

That's wrong. Sexual assault in Ireland doesn't require a sexual aspect or motive.

For example a boy of 14 was recently convicted of sexual assault for slapping another boy on his bare arse. It was agreed by all that there was nothing sexual about this, but the fact that it was an arse he hit meant it was sexual rather than common assault.

To be honest I couldn't believe that one got to court let alone resulting in a sexual conviction to ruin that boys life.

raclle · 28-07-2022 06:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400297#Comment_119400297

Yes I can see the headlines now: Man accidentally roles over the top of sleeping woman, gets jail.

anglesorangles · 28-07-2022 06:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400446#Comment_119400446

Good god. When was it an accident? You are a WUM.

raclle · 28-07-2022 06:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400483#Comment_119400483

Lmfao you need to relax for just a few moments before you give yourself a heart attack and stop taking everything so seriously. Can you not read between the lines and realise I was being sarcastic? A response to a general situation not relating to this case

28-07-2022 08:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400425#Comment_119400425

Maybe you should do some research into the impact of emotional trauma and the many different ways it can manifest itself, before calling me gullible. Thanks.

anglesorangles · 28-07-2022 08:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400533#Comment_119400533

WUM.

Jequ0n · 28-07-2022 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400768#Comment_119400768

Can you share insights or sources on this topic? I would like to know more.

anglesorangles · 28-07-2022 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400768#Comment_119400768

No point talking to him.

28-07-2022 08:37PM

Has been an interesting thread - A LOT of divergent views which just goes to show how difficult a prosecution a defence and a jury decision all are in such cases.

I really wish we knew more as the summary account given in the media likely doesn’t reflect the nuances of the case - what is clear is that the guilty verdict, indeed possibly the whole prosecution came about simply because of the statement made by the defendant to Gardai - and less so the rest of the evidence presented by the prosecution - that in itself is unusual.

I don’t like disparaging victims and especially where there is a guilty verdict, but can’t reconcile some of her impact statement with the crime as outlined in the media accounts. That’s just my personal view no more. Maybe it’s a reflection on the level of my empathy or maybe you just don’t tend to hear such strong statements made around crimes, while serious, that would be deemed to be on the lower end of the scale and is reflective of statements made where a level of violence or intimidation was a factor.

People react differently to acts of crime and it’s well documented through the years on the devastating impact sexual crimes can have on people, both male and female. I’d put this victim impact statement on a high scale of negative impact. I hope the victim finds peace.

I think the guilty party did wrong under law but is paying a very heavy price for that. A few years ago he was just a guy who worked in media- today he’s a sex offender - he’ll be wondering for the rest of his life how that happened and many on this thread will, also.

Only those two people know what happened that night-I hope both were truthful in their testimony evidence and post trial statements.

Unless more detail comes into the public domain, I’ve pretty much said all I want on the topic, but this case will certainly become text book in any consent training classes in the future. It’s been thought provoking but unfortunately it’s not a textbook case- it’s real.

Hope some good comes from this whole horrible experience.

raclle · 28-07-2022 09:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400768#Comment_119400768

If this woman was so traumatized as you believe then why wasn't a psychiatrist involved in the case? Surely ruining a mans life warrants ALL FACTUAL EVIDENCE before a sentence is handed down. We know this man is telling the truth but how do we know the woman is?

RTÉ journo given 15months for sexually assaulting woman as she slept

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