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Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

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  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol. Still using the scare quotes.

    We're back around to the claim the vaccine isn't a vaccine now...


    Which other non-covid vaccines in the world don't have warning labels?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Show the evidence for Hailey Bieber then. Also, the latest thrown in here: Paul Ryder. Produce the evidence he died from a clot caused by the vaccine. The rubbish is what you type because you make up crap as you go along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Faucci is now saying he never recommended lockdowns, but there's footage of him saying he recommended locking the country down.

    More lies, wait for the big one it's probably a few months away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Always at some unspecified time in the future. In a few months it will still be a few months away.


    I’m one away from getting a line in the latest round of conspiracy theorist bingo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,569 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Theres footage. Just none you can show us unedited right so we can be sure it hasnt been taken out of context?

    Cos its not like that stunt hasnt been tried before on this thread.

    Any such claim made as a statement of fact without evidence is garbage.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    You're not having any of this, Are you ?

    Most people know all this already, but you're hanging out until the very end and unable to think for yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    You're not far off the last in line.

    But it seems you're one of the little ducks left behind.

    Maybe you'll be clickity click, or 58 makes them wait:)



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can you link to Fauci saying that he never favoured lockdowns.... Go on.. This is you making a claim and then failing to back it up yet again.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,703 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I guess you are talking about your irrefutable evidence that the data on severity was extremely comprehensive and proven?!

    Pfizer numbers after one dose? LOL! Any particular reason you didn't post the figures after two doses?

    And you have not even once made an attempt to state why you think I am wrong about the regulator's remarks about insufficient data and unreliable efficacy estimates on severity.

    At this stage the only explanation is that your trolling.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,703 ✭✭✭hometruths


    The seatbelt analogy us ridiculous.

    Nobody ever told you that wearing a seat belt would prevent a car crash.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Its all freely available online, giving you a Link is like rolling a dice, it always ends up going down the hill into a rabbit hole and we end up trying to roll another one....



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you're not willing to provide proof... Invariably the rabbit hole is you being full of nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,184 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    How dare young people go out and enjoy themselves.

    What was Fauci suggesting besides lockdown when he was wagging his fingers at our youth.

    The absolute state of you and your gang defending lockdowns and the nefarious bad actors is treacherous to the good men and women of this country who believed they were doing the right thing.

    Shame on the lot of you. Don't even dream of trying it again.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,887 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @bad2thebone Post a link to support your claim or do not post in this thread again.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    More misrepresentation.

    Please show one example of a medical organisation stating unambiguously that the vaccine would 100% prevent you from catching covid?


    And again, drunkmonkey was making the argument that if the vaccines did not prevent covid then they were completely useless.

    You yourself have conceded multiple times that this isn't the case as the vaccine has been shown to be effective at reducing infection and severe disease.

    Why are you not pulling him up for the false claim? Or have you changed your position?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,184 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    It's on Pfizer's website, it prevents 100% of cases.

    The claim by your crew that Pfizer couldn't access tests for healthy people to see if it prevents asymptomatic spread is absolutely nonsense. You really expect anyone to believe a drug company valued at 332 Billion couldn't access some rat tests is beyond fiction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,569 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Unable to substantiate any of their claims about covid vaccine safety, or refute the vaccine effectiveness as evidenced in the Lancet study -> now reduced to just venting about covid things that have nothing to do with the vaccines the poster disagrees with... "the absolute state of you" sounds like the drunk shouting in the corner of the pub at the TV.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,184 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Evidence my ass, it's 1 study in an evolving situation. It was out of date before it was published.

    Yet you ignored the Qatar study, go figure.

    More deflection on your part as it was you said tests were hard to access that's why Pfizer didn't. Seriously the state of you coming out with that rubbish to excuse them.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No it's not.

    This has been explained to you several times.

    You don't seem to understand the difference between "will" and "was".


    Also what's the hold up in addressing my previous post?

    You were complaining about me attributing arguments to you that you didn't make. I told you that in you agreed the arguments were wrong I'd withdraw my claim.

    Why haven't you done this?


    Is it because you do actually believe those things? Or are you just not allowed to say another conspiracy theorist is wrong?



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yup. It the same cycle we've been seeing throughout this thread.

    Can't show that the vaccines are dangerous? Complain about their efficacy.

    Can't show they weren't effective? Complain about lockdowns or something else.

    Can't show that lockdowns werent effective or bad, claim the vaccines are dangerous.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,184 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Good god man do you ever listen to yourself or whatever is your preferred pronouns today.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    There has been multiple onthread warnings about keeping arguments civil. Do not post in this thread again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    https://youtu.be/FFKQ6Ztw9XI

    There's the link



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yup and more bigoted insults rather than address points.

    The pfzier website says no such thing and you understand why you're misrepresenting it.


    You whinged at me for "misattributing things" to you. But now, when you are directly asked about these things like the notion that the vaccine caused a drop in birth rates, you refuse to say you disagree with them.

    If you can't disagree with them, then you don't disagree with them. You believe them. Hence your whinging was entirely false.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,569 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nope. Show us the unedited version not the jump cuts. The video ends before he even finishes his sentence. What did he say next?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    LoL you're quite well able to siphon through as much footage as you like. I'm under no duress to push you along...

    There you go now, a bit of research and plenty of hours of fact checking will be good to educate yourself.

    I gave you a push, now off you go.

    Anyhow you've still to prove that the vaccines stop people from getting sick from covid, and you haven't put a dent in it.

    Good night now, don't let the bedbugs bite;)



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The meaning drastically changes when you include the full quote. He's emphasing it was a CDC recommendation rather than some personal decision. Had you even seen the full quote? Did you make any effort to track it down?

    "Well, you know, again, first of all, I didn’t recommend locking anything down. You’re asking me questions, you're talking about the CDC, the public health agency that uses their epidemiologists and their science-based approach to make recommendations. Clearly, whenever you close schools, there all collateral effects that are negative. I have always been well-aware of that and I have always felt — and go back and look at my statements — that we need to do everything we can to keep the schools open and safe. And by safe means, if you need to wear masks in that wear masks, get better ventilation, surround the children with people who are vaccinated, if a vaccine is available, to help protect the children. Again, I have been on the record of saying that. Always try, to the best of your ability, to keep the children in school, but in a safe environment. Locally, a decision is often made when there is so much infection to close the school, but I would always see that as a last resort, and I have always felt that way."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,506 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    And you promised to accept the irrefutable evidence and not get pedantic, can't even keep your own promises among all the other lies you're trying to spin around you while repeatedly proving yourself wrong 🤪

    As Fighting Tao said, you misunderstood the secondary endpoint and built everything on top of it only to watch it all fall down, and you are completely ignoring the completely proven Moderna results, as I expected you to.

    But I will say, the whole process did separate out if you were someone with genuine vaccine concern vs. an out and out anti-vaxxer, your non-acceptance of multiple pieces of irrefutable evidence has, incidentally, proven that, irrefutably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,569 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yep as expected they put together a pack of lies by editing Faucis interview. Dead giveaway that the clip ended abruptly before he finished his sentence.

    But enough to fool those who lap up that stuff.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,887 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @drunkmonkey has been thread banned. Please do not reply to their posts as they do not have the right to reply.

    @bad2thebone do not mention the word "squeal" again. You have been asked multiple times to post mature discussion. This will be your final onthread warning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,569 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The full transcript as expected shows up the video to be a hack edit and your claim has been entirely discredited and without merit. The rest of your post is of the same quality seeing as you havent refuted with evidence the studies in Lancet or Qatar proving vaccine effectiveness v severe covid and symptomatic infection. In response you just have badly edited youtube videos - edited to deceive.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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