Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

FullBack Jam · 25-07-2022 04:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119385730#Comment_119385730

Correct. If it wasn't the All-Ireland, Walsh would have shaded it. But it was the all-Ireland, and winning team will almost always get it.

Walsh scored more, he got more from play, and his scores were more difficult to execute. I also think he got on more ball than D Clifford during open play. Taking all of those points into account, can anyone provide an alternative reason why D Clifford should get MoM.

PARlance · 25-07-2022 05:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119385932#Comment_119385932

Think you have the Kerry scores wrong there, their starting forwards (excluding DC) scored 0-8.

Sean O'Shea 0-3, P Clifford 0-2, Geaney, O'Brien, O'Connor all 0-1.

km79 · 25-07-2022 05:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119385530#Comment_119385530

I was arguing that he was Player of the Year . Hence the POTY at the end

MacDanger · 25-07-2022 07:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119386275#Comment_119386275

SOS's were from frees, Geaney's was a mark.

O'connor was shown at MF on the RTÉ report but he was actually half forward so 4 points from their starting forwards plus 2 off the bench

Bass Reeves · 25-07-2022 09:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119385957#Comment_119385957

The provincial championship's should be disgarded. However the main opposition to there removal is from Ulster.

The present system could be considered unfair to Kerry it competes in a provincial championship where the other five counties are all premier hurling counties where football is the second sport.

After a while you may see Ulster teams taking a dive in the provincial championship if it's an advantage to them. You have four who are D1 teams and automatically in the round robjn and and D2 team will be more than likely in the round robin as well

Pussyhands · 27-07-2022 09:12AM

Would also agree with Donal Og about the jubilee presentation.

They were out around 80 minutes before throw in, not many in the stadium.

JRant · 27-07-2022 09:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119385967#Comment_119385967

It's quite simple, he's the anointed one and all praise shall be lavished before him. The way they have gone on about him you'd swear there was never another forward in the game to score a point. He's a quality player, no doubt, but the fawning over him is a sight to behold.

Walsh put on one of the best AI performances I've ever seen in CP. A MOTM award won't take that away from him.

FullBack Jam · 27-07-2022 10:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393147#Comment_119393147

I think David Clifford is the best there is, and the best player I have ever seen (and I'm not a youngster!!!). I do understand the praise that he gets.

But on the other hand, if someone is obviously better than him in a game, that should be recognised. Especially in an All-Ireland final. I know it is scant consolation, but it would have done Shane Walsh some good, to be recognised as the best player in that match on Sunday. Something to be proud off. I'm sure he is proud of it anyway, but it should have been officially recognised.

I was at the match, so haven't seen it back on TV yet. Must look at it and drool over some of his scores.

Not taking away from D Clifford. That was a fair score to rack up too. But the fact that Walsh's was exceptional, the MoM appointers should have taken that into account, and gone against the norm of picking the MoM award from the winning team.

shockframe · 27-07-2022 10:32AM

Wouldnt be surprising if Shane Waslsh wins accolades like Player of the Month or so in recognition for Last Sunday.

JRant · 27-07-2022 10:39AM

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No argument from me on who should have won the award. Walsh should 100% have won it but that wasn't going to wash with RTE.

For me, the Gouch was one of the best forwards I've ever seen play the game. Canavan is another that just seemed to be playing a different sport to everyone else. Clifford is a top class operator but he has a way to go to reach the heights of some of the best that have gone before him. That's just my opinion though.

27-07-2022 11:14AM

On the Walsh v Clifford MOTM thing.

It's typical of the lazy journalism that you get with GAA analysis.

Once something is said enough times it becomes fact and no one is willing to question it.

They (the voters) all know Clifford's abilities, he played in a final Kerry won, he scored a lot, therefore he must be MOTM.

No one was willing to put a bit of thought into it, no one was willing to look at Walsh and realize that he single handedly kept the game competitive while playing brilliantly.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 27-07-2022 11:18AM

The jubilee team needs to be moved to part of the HT events.

We had the primary games and Dáithí Ó'Sé talking rubbish with Martin McHugh.

The usual cringe GAA HT stuff with Dáithí trying to get the crowd to cheer after silly "do we think Sam is heading WEST??!!" "a big cheer if you think Sam is heading for the KINGDOM!!"

Awful rubbish.

McHugh not really getting into the spirit of the nonsense when asked how the teams should approach the 2nd half and said Galway should target Clifford and get him a 2nd yellow card. Jesus, Martin we were only having fun.

Pussyhands · 27-07-2022 11:27AM

Madness how someone can say a 23 year old is the best player you've ever seen.

What has he done to deserve that? Cliffords reputation and social media following is completely blowing things out of proportion.

What makes Clifford better than Gooch or even Stephen O'Neill. No attacking mark in their day either!

theoneeyedman · 27-07-2022 12:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393617#Comment_119393617

Lazy clichés like 'Galway always play the right way' or Galway always have heaps of class forwards

M three · 27-07-2022 12:23PM

Sean moran not keen on giving Ulster coach Paddy Tally a greater share of the credit for Kerry's transformation. One single mention for him at the end of a long article..

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2022/07/27/sean-moran-small-changes-big-gains-and-the-alchemy-of-jack-oconnor/

WJL · 27-07-2022 01:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393617#Comment_119393617

I think all the Sunday Game panelists on the evening show knew well Walsh was MOM. They are cowards not to pick him. I wonder did anyone vote for Walsh.

Fair play to Tomas Mulcahy, Ciaran Barr, Cyril Farrell etc for voting Padraic Kelly MOM in the hurling final of 1993 v Kilkenny.

Clifford is a great footballer but I've never seen a more sacred cow in GAA. It's like it's written into every analyst's contract 'thou must say it's the greatest point you ever saw if Clifford kicks it, regardless of it being routine'.

27-07-2022 01:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393680#Comment_119393680

Havent heard too many people saying he is the best player ever but at 23 and the way he is going he has the potential to be the best ever

MfMan · 27-07-2022 01:47PM

He is indeed a singular talent, and enjoys the reputation he does because he has been playing to a consistently high standard since he joined the Kerry seniors. Is he better now than the Gooch was at the same age, or will he be seen as having been even better by the end of his career? Maybe Kerry posters best placed to comment on this. I think it's far too early to proclaim Clifford already as the best ever, we don't know how his career will pan out in the years ahead and how he will cope with adversities such as injury, loss of form or confidence and playing in a poor team etc. He is still human. Remember Martin McHugh getting carried away a few years ago and anointing James O'Donoghue with the same praise on the back of a few very good displays, which seems very wide of the mark now.

keeponhurling · 27-07-2022 01:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394563#Comment_119394563

Indeed, and it must be pointed out it's not the fault of the player either.

Neither Clifford (nor JOD for that matter) ever went on about being the greatest or anything like that.

Pussyhands · 27-07-2022 03:45PM

Shane Walsh announced as player of the week.

Would be a classy move by Clifford if he gave the MOTM award to Walsh.

An Ciarraioch · 27-07-2022 04:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394563#Comment_119394563

James O'Donoghue had the potential to be another Gooch, the problem was he was cursed by injuries on practically every occasion he had recovered from the last one. As for Clifford, Kerry fans have been tracking his career ever since his minor days (he scored 4-4 in the 2017 final against Derry), and the comparisons with Gooch and Maurice Fitz are well merited, though I'm far too young to remember the Golden Years team to judge whether he measures up to Mikey Sheehy or John Egan.

Bass Reeves · 27-07-2022 04:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393617#Comment_119393617

Previously they used to have camera's at both functions and they did interview's from both banquets. However the feeling coming from the losing banquet was they would prefer if the cameras were not there. The quid quo pro was that the MOTM would have to be selected from the winning team. Its only one year in ten the MOTM would be from the losing team. After losing you do not want to be doing interviews and behaving yourself in front of cameras. Even have to stand and watch the other team receive the cup is tough.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393680#Comment_119393680

It's not journalists. It's analysts like Kevin McStay, Whelan, O'Rourke etc. These boys have seen them all. Clifford is double and triple tagged. He still manages to be the highest scorer for Kerry in virtually every match. I have seen a good few good players and he the best at even this age I have ever seen. Very few really big players have really high skill level. The only player that I ever say that was even slightly comparable to him was Matt O'Connor of Offaly. Matt was a super free taker as well. But Clifford is a difference class.

I cannot understand lads hang ups about it. I was all the Kerry matches this year except for the Armagh match. The supporters of other teams will always acknowledge that the quality of his scores are first class.

Stephen O'Neill, Gooch, Cavanan were seldom double tagged. Clifford is virtually always and still manages 6+ points from play most days. In the Dublin game every time he got the ball there was three players on him. The same the last day, the only time they got reall caught was for the two marks. He has been carrying a knock all this year and has only trained half the time.

JRant · 27-07-2022 05:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119395575#Comment_119395575

That's what every forward has to deal with these days, especially the good ones. Walsh wasn't left man vman in the final and still got 9 points so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Good players get extra attention, always have done.

Bass Reeves · 27-07-2022 05:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119395616#Comment_119395616

Walsh dose not produce these displays in every match. Ya last Sunday he was exceptional but he was fairly average in a couple matches this year. Neither will he have special and specific tactics put in place to limit his impact.

JRant · 27-07-2022 06:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119395668#Comment_119395668

He's been fairly handy this year and that's putting it midly. I think you'll find that's exactly what teams do when facing a player like Clifford or Walsh. They put a plan in place to try stifle them. Sometimes it works, often times it doesn't.

Gael85 · 27-07-2022 07:33PM

Not often kerry cynical fouling is called out. At it for years but glossed over by likes of Spillane.

https://www.the42.ie/kerry-defending-5826336-Jul2022/

Pussyhands · 27-07-2022 08:01PM

If Clifford was double marked he wouldn't be in the game and teams play a sweeper so that leaves two kerry players free. If this was the case kerry would make hay with the free space.

There was no attacking mark a decade ago.

Clifford is flashy but he's not the best ever. A forward claiming high balls in the air looks better than a player always being in the right place at the right time. If the mark wasn't in the game Clifford wouldn't have got those two points and no one would be talking about his fielding.

Talking about the best, Gooch is still well clear for me. Brains, guile, didn't know which foot he was, movement. Not the biggest yet well able look after himself. Could playmake as well as score.

The way the mark is, Donaghy would get 3 or 4 points a game

Bass Reeves · 27-07-2022 08:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396277#Comment_119396277

Every teams fouls, the article as good as says that. It also says that better teams use it. As well it says that previously Kerry were not really at it a much until this year where it choose to tactically foul on turnovers.

Finally Kerry transition so fast this that teams find harder to stop them on the break. Kerry plays the advantage more than .oat teams as it usually has forwards up front it want to get the ball to

eagle eye · 27-07-2022 08:12PM

So when are we getting rid of the free kick for catching a ball. It's absolutely ridiculous.

As regards the MoM, no doubt that Walsh was the best player on the day but it's always given to a player off the winning team and I've no problem with that.

Clifford is a great footballer but he's been rated as the GOAT already which is insane. For me Maurice Fitzgerald is the best Kerry forward I can remember and Cooper is a close second then Mikey Sheehy. Clifford has a long way to go to pass those legends.

dobman88 · 27-07-2022 08:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396277#Comment_119396277

Saw that earlier. Good read and it's about time kerry became smarter with their fouling. For too long it was too close to goal which conceded handy frees or else not hard enough for the ref to blow which wouldn't stop the other team.

Dublin set the standard with cynical fouling in the least dangerous areas of the pitch and just stop all momentum. Its fantastic to see kerry now seem able to execute it as well as them.

Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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