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The Gray Man

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    She has been signed up for the new John Wick spin off Ballerina so I would say that will be her solo action movie.


    Enjoyable two hours of nonsense action still hard to see where 200m went.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,541 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Terrific hadn't heard about that one.

    Yeah I am guessing a lot went on the stars.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well, Red Notice's stars, Reynolds, Gadot and The Rock all gained $20 million each so fair guess the stars of this got similar. Maybe even the Russo's too given they're a big enough directorial name ATM.



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Finished it off from 2/3's in and it was largely downhill from there

    The last location gunfight and fight went on far too long and then there was a clumsy wrap up sequence to follow.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,626 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    A pretty poor effort overall. It’s better than most ludicrously-budgeted Netflix action blockbusters (it’s a bland two-star film compared to the one-star dregs of Bright) but that is damning it with the faintest of praise.

    Reminiscent of Mission Impossible or John Wick, but with none of the artistry or vivid spectacle of those two series at their best. The Russos sadly remain pretty awful action directors, too fond of gimmick shots and disorientating, rapid edits. The stunts, movement and impacts are undermined because the camera doesn’t stay with them long enough, and there’s no proper sense of danger or risk at any stage. It’s just loud noises and explosions slapped together, with no grace or tension. No doubt the budget went into the various elaborate setpieces, but it’s still a worse version of better series: the filmic equivalent of a eurostore usb cable that just about does the job for two hours before being thrown aside.

    The plane sequence is the worst offender here: just incoherent, weightless nothingness. The video game Uncharted 3 did it more convincingly a decade ago, and as the Uncharted film also proved there’s a reason why you shouldn’t just try to adapt breathless, silly video game action sequences into cinema.The Prague sequence at least has some old-school, indulgent spectacle to it, but even that collapses into unconvincing CG nonsense by the end.

    Gosling does Gosling (no more and no less… well, maybe a little less), and Evans’ character is just too much of a caricature of a murderously obnoxious asshole to be much of a menacing villain. Ana de Armas and Jessica Henwick continue to impress to the point where it’d surely be a better use of resources to just make a film with those two at the centre. De Armas gets plenty to do, at least, but she needs to actually lead a film like this now rather than playing second fiddle: she’s more than capable of it, and infinitely more charismatic on screen than Gosling just doing his thing yet again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭crushproof


    Gimmicky Saturday night popcorn action movie flick. Relies on poor CGI and camera angles/moves that move far too quickly to take in the action.

    The amount of poor CGI really annoyed me and it boggles the mind how they spent $200mil. As someone who's been to Prague a few times it was enjoyable seeing some of the action scenes there. Also obvious that the early Baku scenes were Prague.

    The highlight was De Armas, she was superb and continues to impress. And always good to see Billy Bob.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Full_Circle_81


    I thought it was just OK, but immediately forgettable. Gosling, who can certainly impress when he wants, feels like hes sleep-walking through the movie (but maybe thats just the character?). Evans, while clearly enjoying himself in the role, feels like hes acting in a completely different movie. Regé-Jean Page was a bland nothing with zero menace. And the tone removes any sense of danger from proceedings, with a funny quip being injected after every potential moment of tension.

    As others have mentioned, the one highlight was De Armas who oozed more charima and easy charm than the rest of the cast combined.

    And the Russos use of "cool new swooping camera" got old fast, as did they repeated use of GIANT TEXT to denote all the various locations every couple of minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭naughtysmurf


    Watched it last night, 4/10



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Us too, I wouldn't even give it that, I though it was one of the worst movies I've seen in recent.years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Not the biggest fan of ryan gosling but the did say much in this so he was bearable. Evans was great chewing the scenery but ana de armas was the real star.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The DayDream


    Such a piece of utterly expensive crap



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Extremely enjoyable film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭pjcb


    are the books any good?



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I tried one - didn't think much of it

    if you like that sort of easy thriller book fare I've found these the best (although the very latest one was not as good but the ones before were -start from the beginning)

    Orphan X aren't too bad either




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I gotta stop watching these open chequebook Netflix blockbusters; every single one has been the most forgettable, artless, algorithmic wastes of space. Yet because my eyeballs contributed to their statistics I'm giving the service carte blanche to keep making these bloated time-wasters. I genuinely watched this with an open mind, on a lazy Sunday afternoon and with no expectations. I was ready to be pleasantly surprised.

    Instead, what I watched was an overlong attempt at the espionage-action thriller by a pair of genuinely talentless hacks; brothers who have failed upwards 'cos they assembled (ho-ho) a bajillion superheroes into two movies & it didn't fly apart at the seams. Now. There is a lot to be said for the Competent Pair of Hands: the likes of Martin Campbell, Richard Donner and - to use modern examples - James Mangold or Christopher McQuarrie proved that you don't have to be some mad, visually inventive auteur to helm a crowdpleaser. Just know how to structure scenes, build a story's momentum - and knowing how to shoot action helps too. The Russo's chaotic over-editing killed every single action set-piece, robbing them of their tension and basic coherence. Swooping drone shots often disorienting, rather than thrilling - Michael Bay's own recent work demonstrating better use of this frontier-pushing technology.

    The Netflix slushpile was obviously spent on the endless parade of whistle-stop visits to international locations, serving no real purpose except in a shameless attempt to Do a Bond - but Bond remembered to heighten the glamour of those foreign locales - not cover them with smoke & moody lighting for the sake of it. A big central location was a gloriously ostentatious palace, yet the Russo's shot it behind gloomy light, inexplicable smoke, and a tonne of fancy lighting.

    And I didn't pick up the excitement for Ana DeArmis' character; she did nothing, except occasionally look pensive behind her stylish haircut; while Chris Evans' borderline cocaine-mania performance only distracted more than it entertained. We get it Chris, you don't wanna be typecast as Captain America; stop overcorrecting. The dialogue was generally awful, really trying for Shane Black style snark but none of it landed. "If you wanna make an omelette, you gotta kill some people". Okay. But that's this mess to a tee: The Russo's really, realllly wanted to bit a bit John Wick; a bit Shane Black; a bit Bond; a bit Bourne; a bit everything without ever making any of those ingredients work.



  • Subscribers Posts: 43,086 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    bubble gum movie with an instantly forgettable generic plot.

    its on netflix so you may as well watch it if youve a free couple of hours with nothing else to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭magic_murph


    Decent brain candy action coupled with comedy but not Ryan Reynolds over the top comedy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,934 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Can someone explain what "algorithmic" means in this context, please? The New Statesman used that word in a negative manner about this film as well.

    I watched it last night. It's... watch and forget stuff. Much of it hinges on how one responds to Chris Evans' character. I liked it but if I didn't, I'd have hated this. Gosling seems to have no charisma or depth to his character but then, that may have been the point.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Watched on the weekend... it felt like the whole thing was shot by fast moving drones, at times it was incredibly annoying.

    It has a great cast and the I'm a fan of the leads, finding them completely watchable but the film was meh.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,626 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    'Algorithmic' means that an algorithm has 'determined' what audiences like, and a film has been designed around that - making it feel rote or excessively, overtly over-engineered. With Netflix films it can be hard to tell which films are actually algorithmic, and which ones just feel algorithmic :P



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,934 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Basically what Johnny described: these Netflix films feel like humans never wrote the scripts, inasmuch as they were automatically generated based on metrics derived from Netflix's databases. Just "Content" we're meant to watch for a couple of hours, then oh, why not binge this series when you're done?

    I've watched much worse films than The Gray Man in my time - but it's this constant stream of bland porridge Netflix tries to pass as Big Blockbuster Entertainment is whittling away my patience. Crazy money spent on something whose output is so banal, so much a shoulder-shrug - it ends up more offensive than something demonstrably terrible. At least a genuinely Bad Movie gives rise to discussion, jokes and so-bad-it's-good enjoyment on occasion.

    Crazy to say, I miss the days when blockbusters were produced by executives blitzed out of their mind on cocaine; say what you will but you got some really batshít crazy films out of that period. The obsession for the 1980s means we keep getting these pastiches and "homages" without any of the actual creative vitality that spawned the originals in the first place.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Cocaine gave us movies such as Flashdance, Beverley Hills Cop, Top Gun, Beverley Hills Cop 2, Days of Thunder, Crimson Tide, Bad Boys and The Rock. And that is just from one producer. Excessive cocaine use should be compulsory for movie execs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Full_Circle_81




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,934 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Me, for one. It's one film. I don't see any room for a sequel much less a whole cinematic universe.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's not like Hollywood wasn't keen to appeal to demographics back then either - but it feels to have been taken to excess now; any rough edge or eccentricity sanded off 'til there's nothing left except superficiality. Probably comes from studios run by marketing executives rathe than movie moguls. As you say, producers like Don Simpson were behind an obscene number of crowd-pleasing classics of the 80s and 90s. And while they had their demographic box-ticks, the films often had a manic energy behind them, an energy that felt ... supplemented by drugs.

    The film is based on a series of books so the runway is there to do sequels (never even heard of the novels before this film was announced so couldn't tell you much else).

    But Netflix have tried this before; who remembers Bright 2? Exactly.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,934 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Sure but this wasn't much of a best first foot to be putting forward. I found it watchable but only barely.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭Shred


    Yeah Empire reported that there were hopes of turning it into a franchise in their piece on the film a while ago.

    Personally, I really enjoyed it, so much so that I've watched it twice. Did I expect it to change my life? No. Did it change my life? No. Did I find it entertaining? Absolutely.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Completely insipid with zero style. I watched it hours ago but I can barely remember it. All the ingredients were there for at the very least an entertaining couple of hours but it’s like they collectively decided to phone it in because who cares, Netflix is footing the bill.

    I’m going to watch Michael Flatleys the Blackbird when it comes out, and while it will undoubtedly review worse than this, I’m willing to bet that it I’ll find it more entertaining and memorable than this.



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