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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,201 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Clearly a very small few, not even half a handful of folks need reminding of what has also been discussed numerous times. The attached map the most recent but infact has not changed much for nearly three months.

    3 colours so not terribly difficult to navigate.

    I thought this might help those who may still think it's March 2022 .

    The yellow bit (slightly over 80%) no military action, not a battle field but very occasional missile attacks in a number of cities) much of this area , especially to the west of Ukraine has not so much has had a fire cracker go off since march.

    The purple bits , where essentially already under Russian control pre war.

    The Red bits will likely be under Russian control and we're most of the fighting is taking place.

    Putin the Pig, will focus his attention on the Red bits.

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    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Obviously the likes of the CIA and US State Department don't have access to your sources. You should shoot them off an email. Maybe even include a link to whatever Facebuke or twitter rant you get your info from so that they confirm. The eejits are there panicking everyone and telling their own citizens to leave Ukraine if there, and not to enter if outside it.

    Mad that you have better information from them, and you just there living in a barck arse of nowhere.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well you are moaning about the Ukrainians family bringing their kids here when the people who did not leave are still trying to make ends meet and get on with things back home. Yet you'd get your own kids out if the show was on the other foot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Today's headline in the New York Times sums up for me the daftness of what Ireland is doing, taking in and subsidising tens of thousands of Ukrainian refugees while most of their own country is perfectly safe. 'Frenzied Raves. Crowded parties. Cuddle parties. Nightlife is returning to Kyiv, but revellers Still reckon with guilt.'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,201 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    No conspiracies Donald, lots of daily reporting on were the actual fighting is taking place. Pretty much every intelligence agency has got it embarrassingly wrong,, perhaps to feed a narrative. Sorry to being you back up to July 2022.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Read over my posts. you are confusing yourself by attempting to solve the whole crisis from one perspective while replying to everyones posts on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,201 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    There'll be no reading of yours or others posts , just a one dimensional view and total and determined disregard for others views 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Tell us the one again about the Ukrainian elites with the fancy cars who want to give up their previous jet-setting lifestyles for an eternity of dole in Ireland. That's my favourite one so far.

    Just wait til the Russian refugees start coming in. I heard Roman Abramovich has his eye on a snazzy tent in the garden of Celbridge Manor. He said that the first chance he gets he'll be scuttling his yachts just in case they use it as an excuse to make deductions from his 200 quid a week.


    Your talents are wasted down there in the bog. You could be making millions as a global consultant, replacing all State Intelligence Services globally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    So, is your point of view 'take them all in, no matter what, squeeze them in if we have to, feck it if it has a negative effect on us, and so what if some of them are rapists or murderers, not actually Ukrainian and it doesn't really matter if they have no insurance, licence or identification, we don't need that or to vet them". Just let them in first, worry about the rest later?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    These are the same points or needless digs you were making yesterday I believe.

    Like the Russians- you seem to be out of ammo.

    Let's talk about refugees



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    You assume? How many are worth letting in for every serial rapist or murderer? What would be the cap on letting in an unvetted paedophile. 6? 56?

    That's without asking how many have to suffer too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Not at all. I think I brought it up earlier today. Not yesterday.

    Like the Russians, I still have a few million more pieces of ammo left over from the 1940's.

    It was a great one though in fairness. Another good one that they made was feigning concern for poor Ukrainians having to relocate internally to other dangerous areas within Ukraine while also demanding that the elite women and kids here be sent back to the same areas which are actually safe for elites. People say that the Russians don't have smart weapons, but they apparently have ones that won't detonate near elites, but do near destitute poor people. That's fairly smart if ya ask me. Which I am sure you would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    We can't cap it. And have no business moaning about a cap until we even get to the pro-rata number fair share.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,201 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Interesting you've researched were I live and yet haven't worked out my Gender.

    You can continue to harp on with your daily fixation, it's actually amusing but has being dealt with , we live in anticipation of something new, ground breaking, perhaps an inspired contribution. 🤔

    Interesting and sadly horrific story on the BBC news website and app about another extremely vunerable and neglected cohort in Ukraine who don't get to flee, not a priority by Ukrainian officials, it would seem and for decades. Slightly off topic so won't link to it but horrific and a story Zelenskyy will not wanted to have hogging headlines.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Feigning some concern for another group too far away to help just so you can deflect from the vitriol you cast upon those who we can help?


    I'm not going to assume your gender. You identify however you want on whatever given day you want. I don't particularly care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,201 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Well observed but its being going on a little longer 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,201 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    No feigning Donald or indeed deflection, that's your speciality although clearly failing , must be tough so i just thought a little extra reading might expand on your understanding of what is really going on in Ukraine, those who really need help, a country I visted a few times, even worked in briefly (Kyiv) , many fine qualities but certainly not its government or political history.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    So you think we should let those in? How you know for a fact they they are rapists and they are bringing drugs is beyond me, but far be it for me to accuse you of lying. As for them not sending their best. Are they sending anyone or are we bringing them? Probably not their best either though, their best are staying back helping their country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Given a post appears to have gone over your head again:


    If you'd prefer some Nigel Farage ones, I can get you some of those instead.


    Just be careful that none of those Ukrainian kids attack you and kill you on their way home from the local primary school in September. They are notorious for the oul' murdering so they are. They usually have to get started on it before they are let go to school back home.



  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    family ties I understand, however I very much doubt that over 40K Ukrainians have family ties in Ireland! I also understand we have a shared responsibility but Ireland's share is disproportionate to many of the other bigger, wealthier EU states. Why is that?? Why is NOBODY in media asking that?

    Finally I have been trying to put myself in the shoes of Ukrainians who have fled. What would I do if I had left my husband and grandparents back in Ukraine (as all these "women and children" apparently have). Where would I go? 100% I would go to the NEAREST safest country. It would be Poland, Germany, Moldova or France. My main aim would be to get back to the people I love as quickly as possible.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Someone asked within the last while, about the 400 eur payment. The govt just released details today on it

    • Applications for the €400 ‘Accommodation Recognition Payment’ can be made from today by households who are hosting people claiming Temporary Protection after fleeing the conflict in Ukraine
    • first payment to be paid on Tuesday 9 August
    • The payment will be paid on the second Tuesday of each month
    • payment may be backdated to 4 March where accommodation has been provided




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    He might be ringing you telling you it's too dangerous and definitely don't come back.


    He could be glad of the break



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Disgusted? Rather strong word. I go to bed thinking whatll purchase and cook for my family tomorrow...better check the bank balance...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,201 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Amongst many things pertinent to this Thread (Ukrainian Refugees) , I also worry like you and many others about the cost of living crisis and its shocking and yes I too worry about increasing bills , my comment was strictly directed at an absurd post I was responding to , thread related , had I gone further and discussed the challenges , you, I and others face , it would have been jumped on , ridiculed, sneered at and fed those who've not a clue how this farce, goes way beyond the crisis in Ukraine and has effected the Daily lives of everyone. There was no attempt to ignore the Daily challenges we all face, I was avoiding feeding a disgraceful narrative being peddled .

    The issues you raise have been raised many , many times in the thread , including many from me

    So , Disgusted in the context of what I was responding to was actually quite tame, I am to polite to use the words I'd like to have used.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    In today's numbers across Europe what would our pro rata figure be?



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Fair enough. I thought it rather too emotive.

    I do understand you sincerity over the situation, it's just, I dunno? I don't like using words like that. My problem of course.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,201 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I assure you I was not being glib and if you saw the shyte I and others have had to put up with over the past few days , it would better explain my disgust which does extend to the important issues you've raised 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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