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Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,973 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Which is worrying cause its already poor..

    You can list off the decent games in couple fingers at most.

    I appreciate what you say though I just don't think it has made it better in my opinion.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,311 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm



    That is a bit like saying how long is a piece of string teams set up differently against different sides.

    But the game surprised me at how open it was. Kerry had a load of chances they fluffed in the first half it seemed to be eating away at their confidence and the supporters in patches of that first half. But Kerry still managed to hang in there and get level a few times.

    Maybe someone can correct if I am wrong but I don't think Kerry were two ahead until around the last part of the second half. But yet the scores in the second half 0-13 Kerry v 0-8 Galway.

    I think 17 points or less would win plenty of games for teams like Donegal who if set up cagey and get the balance right with the attack. It is one of the reasons I am curious as to how Donegal do post Bonner. He restricted that Donegal team way too much. If managed properly they have a few AI's in them.

    When Dublin were flying wasn't the phrase you have to score 20 plus to beat Dublin. And Dublin were economical with effort very few wides or hail mary shots. I feel that that Galway did something similar economy of effort not many wides. Not much wasteful stuff like Mayo constantly do dropping ball into the opposition keepers hands, sloppy wides, shooting from silly angles.

    Obviously Walsh was the exception it did not matter where he decided to shoot from the last day, it was likely a score.

    Mayo only scored 13 points v Kerry in the SF. The way Mayo shoot (and panic) in AI finals - I would guess that 17 points would beat Mayo if they played in a final.

    I feel Joyce got the last ounce of effort out of that Galway team, he was very close to causing one of the biggest shocks in the last 20 years of Gaelic football. Mainly because he is tactically flexible and astute unlike other managers who only know one way of playing.

    There are not many managers who do that even historically Jim Gavin did it for Dublin, O'Connor has done it for Kerry. Showing tactical flexibility and getting a team success with it.

    It is a thing that holds back Ulster football they all copy each other and end up playing the same tactically, damn all variation. Then Ulster football is held up as a great championship mainly because the games are close. But the reality is IMO that they are one dimensional tactically. The irony is that the Ulster football, 'classic style' is very successful in ladies football. Which has been borrowed by the Meath ladies football team.

    1) Funnel back - keep it low scoring

    2) Don't take risks

    3) Hit teams on the break/counter

    4) Scoring backs and a workhorse full forward integral to the system

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,311 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm



    He was Dublin's most consistent player this year though. Great game against the AI champs Kerry. I am not sure how else you can judge it. Munster and Leinster have very weak teams in them.

    Funny enough you mention the league it should be used a proper barometer. Personally I think a team of the championship never makes much sense, due to the lop sided nature of it. The All Stars end up being silly, there is sympathy votes, political votes, players moved position to 'accommodate' them etc. If a fella announced his retirement it would increase his chances of being picked. Other times they very obviously try to 'balance the books' by picking x number from each province as a starting point. Not regarding ability and level of opposition faced

    Personally I think there should be teams named for div 1, 2, 3 and 4 named as the league star awards. Then an overall team picked from the most impressive players from all four divisions. Throughout the year players should be awarded points for performances each team weighted based on level. Factor in championship as well as league. So Kildare beating Dublin would get much more points than if Kildare beat Louth. Much better system, a continual assessment type thing.

    Now I know some will say the 'league is the league'. That is not true anymore it is a real barometer of teams performance. Who won the league this year? Kerry. Who won Sam = Kerry. Which team has rocketed up the leagues in recent years = Derry. Who was the big relegation shock this year = Dublin.

    And the last time a div 2 team beat a div 1 team to win Sam was in 2002 when Armagh beat Kerry!

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Mccarthy is probably dublins best ever player, but on this season he didnt deserve a place because he just didnt play enough games. T osullivan should go in at corner back and he has been shafted truth be told. Silke can be shoehorned into the halfback line if they so wish, as that is where he had his best game. He is lucky enough to get in also to my mind byt we know how the thing works. It feels like mccarthy is there to keep up the quota of dublin players in the team also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,535 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Score was 16 each in 67th minute

    Galway had no bench at all which was ultimately the difference on the day. What Galway could have done had they been able to bring on a Tom Flynn or Peter Cooke or Éamon Brannigan in those last 15.

    Not sure why Dessie Connelly hasn't got a look in since the league game in the Hyde is baffling too. He tore Derry apart in the league



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭TITANIUM.


    Really enjoyable final in the end, Galway pushed us all the way in fairness. Just the lack of depth and a little cuteness caught them. We said before the match that the bench was a big advantage to kerry and it did prove decisive in the end. It haunted us for for years so we know the feeling.

    I said before the match that Galway would need to score 2 or 3 goals to beat us and that's where I think they slipped up. They had their homework done and we're consistently able to pull our sweeper thaigh Morley out of position, but they played Comer to far out the field for the most part and could've get him on ball when he stayed in. He's the big goal threat. And when he was being handled handy enough we were halfway there.

    Galway got an awful lot right but they needed it all to go 100% to succeed. There full back line and keeper are still a big problem for them, even when they were going well in the first half! There kickouts were poor enough.

    What age is McDaid? Wow what a performance, when Galway were 2 points down in about the 63rd minute shortly before the free that some (not all) Galway supporters including Joyce and O'Neill are complaining about, he went on a run and won a free for what was a old fashioned shoulder to shoulder. Walsh tapped it over and McDaid followed up with another super point to level it up.

    I was on here admiring and singing Shane Walshs praises before the Derry match and my god did he deliver on the big stage today. A joy to watch in full flow.

    Hopefully Galway can address the few issues they have a give it a right go next year, there very close already. But there's no denying kerry deserved it this year, we had to go through Mayo Dublin and Galway to win it and you would have to put this 3 teams in the top 5 in the country with Dublin still almost (but not quite) at number 1.

    A interesting championship next year for sure, but for now! There can be only one and we'll enjoy it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭john9876


    Graham O'Sullivan the Kerry corner back

    - Held his man scoreless

    - Scored a point

    - Got 5 assists

    Pretty impressive for his first season making the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,211 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Thought he was excellent, especially in the second half.

    Kerry love producing corner backs called O'Sullivan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,535 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    McDaid is 26. He was standout player on Galway U21 team that got to 2017 AI Final.

    Next year is very difficult to predict for Ulster or Connacht teams. While Kerry and Dublin have easy passages through Munster and Leinster, Ulster is a pure mine-field for everyone as Tyrone showed this year. Connacht any of the three can beat each other on the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Next year you have the round robin in Championship after the provincial finish. The top team make the QF and 2nd and 3rd play peliminary QF's.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,056 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Man of the Match is given on the match in question ie the Final. Nothing to do with any other game. Clifford was great but for me Walsh was better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭creedp


    Bias is always heavily in favour of the MOTM being from the winning team so unless he was spectacularly better that Clifford there was always only to be one winner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    The provincial winner will be the top seed in their group and first game at home should be a help in theory. The more games next year and group format will favour the teams with the best strength in depth and probably lessen the chance of underdog reaching the All Ireland final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭Robson99


    John Daly should be in the half back line. Can see him getting an all star



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Just looking at the scoring stats there, excl Walsh, Galway forwards scored 1 point from play, subs scored nothing.

    Kerry forwards excl DC, scored 3 from play (plus a mark) and 2 from the subs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands



    Yes the new format is going to really damage some Ulster teams imo.

    Imagine a team like Donegal who play Ulster, so they could in theory play 4 rounds of Ulster, winning 3 and losing in the final. So they could beat Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan and then lose to Derry. That's 3 big wins.

    But they lose the final so they're 2nd seeds. So you'd expect them to finish 2nd. They now need to play a 3rd placed team which could be a tricky enough team along the levels of Cork or Roscommon or Kildare.

    Then when they've got through that, if they want to win an All Ireland, they have to go and win another 3 big matches



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    Correct. If it wasn't the All-Ireland, Walsh would have shaded it. But it was the all-Ireland, and winning team will almost always get it.

    Walsh scored more, he got more from play, and his scores were more difficult to execute. I also think he got on more ball than D Clifford during open play. Taking all of those points into account, can anyone provide an alternative reason why D Clifford should get MoM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Think you have the Kerry scores wrong there, their starting forwards (excluding DC) scored 0-8.

    Sean O'Shea 0-3, P Clifford 0-2, Geaney, O'Brien, O'Connor all 0-1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,631 ✭✭✭✭km79




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    SOS's were from frees, Geaney's was a mark.


    O'connor was shown at MF on the RTÉ report but he was actually half forward so 4 points from their starting forwards plus 2 off the bench



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The provincial championship's should be disgarded. However the main opposition to there removal is from Ulster.

    The present system could be considered unfair to Kerry it competes in a provincial championship where the other five counties are all premier hurling counties where football is the second sport.

    After a while you may see Ulster teams taking a dive in the provincial championship if it's an advantage to them. You have four who are D1 teams and automatically in the round robjn and and D2 team will be more than likely in the round robin as well

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Would also agree with Donal Og about the jubilee presentation.

    They were out around 80 minutes before throw in, not many in the stadium.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,271 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's quite simple, he's the anointed one and all praise shall be lavished before him. The way they have gone on about him you'd swear there was never another forward in the game to score a point. He's a quality player, no doubt, but the fawning over him is a sight to behold.

    Walsh put on one of the best AI performances I've ever seen in CP. A MOTM award won't take that away from him.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    I think David Clifford is the best there is, and the best player I have ever seen (and I'm not a youngster!!!). I do understand the praise that he gets.

    But on the other hand, if someone is obviously better than him in a game, that should be recognised. Especially in an All-Ireland final. I know it is scant consolation, but it would have done Shane Walsh some good, to be recognised as the best player in that match on Sunday. Something to be proud off. I'm sure he is proud of it anyway, but it should have been officially recognised.

    I was at the match, so haven't seen it back on TV yet. Must look at it and drool over some of his scores.

    Not taking away from D Clifford. That was a fair score to rack up too. But the fact that Walsh's was exceptional, the MoM appointers should have taken that into account, and gone against the norm of picking the MoM award from the winning team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Wouldnt be surprising if Shane Waslsh wins accolades like Player of the Month or so in recognition for Last Sunday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,271 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    No argument from me on who should have won the award. Walsh should 100% have won it but that wasn't going to wash with RTE.

    For me, the Gouch was one of the best forwards I've ever seen play the game. Canavan is another that just seemed to be playing a different sport to everyone else. Clifford is a top class operator but he has a way to go to reach the heights of some of the best that have gone before him. That's just my opinion though.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    On the Walsh v Clifford MOTM thing.

    It's typical of the lazy journalism that you get with GAA analysis.

    Once something is said enough times it becomes fact and no one is willing to question it.

    They (the voters) all know Clifford's abilities, he played in a final Kerry won, he scored a lot, therefore he must be MOTM.

    No one was willing to put a bit of thought into it, no one was willing to look at Walsh and realize that he single handedly kept the game competitive while playing brilliantly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,804 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    The jubilee team needs to be moved to part of the HT events.

    We had the primary games and Dáithí Ó'Sé talking rubbish with Martin McHugh.

    The usual cringe GAA HT stuff with Dáithí trying to get the crowd to cheer after silly "do we think Sam is heading WEST??!!" "a big cheer if you think Sam is heading for the KINGDOM!!"

    Awful rubbish.

    McHugh not really getting into the spirit of the nonsense when asked how the teams should approach the 2nd half and said Galway should target Clifford and get him a 2nd yellow card. Jesus, Martin we were only having fun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Madness how someone can say a 23 year old is the best player you've ever seen.

    What has he done to deserve that? Cliffords reputation and social media following is completely blowing things out of proportion.

    What makes Clifford better than Gooch or even Stephen O'Neill. No attacking mark in their day either!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Lazy clichés like 'Galway always play the right way' or Galway always have heaps of class forwards



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