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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,202 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm having a ball on Twitter this morning, seems I touch a raw Nerve 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    WTF are you on about?

    What has it to do with the Assembly? Sam McAugtry, John Robb Gordon Wilson were not members of the Assembly.

    Away and rant somewhere else and let someone who knows what they are talking about contribute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    As I said, if this lady has a problem with the North talk to the assembly who are the people who have managed to do nothing in 24 year

    Stop pointing the finger at the Dail, Seanad, Westminster or anywhere else. The assembly, fix that and then we can have a conversation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,202 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭shirrup


    You're a master class at deflection, what in the name of all that's holy has the mess that is the executive, got to do with the Taoiseach of ireland not appointing any resident from the north?

    Why can't you stick to the discussion, I'm guessing you find it easier to deflect onto some other narrative, one which you plucked from your backside?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You point out a fallacy in the idea of a 'Shared Island' and BA proves that it is all a fallacy. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The 3.5b provided by the government for cross border, suppose we are supposed to forget about that

    As I said, start at the assembly and the people in it if you want to blame anyone.

    Absolute joke at this stage you are going on about the Dail and Northern Ireland. 24 years parties are in the assembly and done NOTHING.

    Deflection, deflection, deflection everywhere

    Fairly simple, as usual we have a regular poster blaming the Irish government because of problem in the North. It's just another day of people covering up for 24 years of nothing from the assembly. It's a broken record



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Not appointing Unionist Ian Marshall was a real real swing and a miss IMO. FF/FG/Gr lip service only to an idea of a 'Shared Island'.

    In case the Examiner is assassinated too, here's the IT with the same story:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Who blamed the Irish Govt for problems in the North?

    I must have missed that part.

    Wonder has Micheal called Leo about Paschal the wee rascal yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,202 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm sensing another Secretary General being hauled before a committee and Paschal trying to deflect, I'm sensing more Lessons to be learned . It's just astonishing, this Government is literally the Gift, that just keeps Giving

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭shirrup


    Fairly simple, as usual we have a regular poster blaming the Irish government because of problem in the North. It's just another day of people covering up for 24 years of nothing from the assembly. It's a broken record



    Who blamed this government for the mess of the executive? Can you quote them? Another absolutely shameless (and frightfully poor) deflection attempt AGAIN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,546 ✭✭✭jmcc


    This seems to have gone pear-shaped for Martin and FFG. Far from being tough and standing up for the voters against AIB, it seems that they were informed by the bank. This is a major story and the typically pro-FG Indo is leading with the news that AIB had briefed officials on this before the announcement.

    It is interesting to see the quotes from particular FFers in the Indo article. The rift between the real FFers and the FF cabinet members seems to have grown. More importantly for the stability of the FFG government, the real FFers seem to be rather angry with Donohoe and FG. The three Independent TDs managed to get more positive coverage than the entire FF party.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,202 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Apologies, just can't be avoided in the day that's in it 😁


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,546 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Wonder how the Sunday newspapers are going to cover the FFG/AIB screwup? I think that there's a RedC poll due tonight but as it is the Silly Season, it might be September before the Business Post resumes RedC polling. I think that FG was at 19% and FF was at 14% in the last RedC poll. It would really cause problems in FF and for Martin if the AIB thing caused FF's support to go below 10% in RedC polling. It actually reached a low of 10% in 2020.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,202 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It's alive on Twitter all day , I'm not a big user but posed a few pertainent questions in the right direction , these questions got quite a response.

    Let us know if there's a new poll , we look forward to them (well most of us do ) 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,202 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Paschal regretting those Tesco comments by all accounts but this from Twiiter, perhaps so marketing possibilities.

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    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,203 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Its game on now. A lot of explaining to do and when you're explaining you are losing. I know what the public will think no matter what excuses are made. Caught rotten.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Based on the thread on boards the majority seem to be thinking “who cares”

    The predictions on here about what the public thinks seem to be very presumptions and from what I can see incorrect

    As I said before, taking the opinion of a load of fake accounts on Twitter is not a good view of the public 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,546 ✭✭✭jmcc


    This AIB thing is really destroying the credibility of FFG. RedC regional breakdowns might be interesting even though the Margin of Error is much higher on those.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,203 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Would the people be polled by RedC on Friday or Saturday? The timing of the AIB revelation are key.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,546 ✭✭✭jmcc



    Not exactly sure. Some of the random sample polls can take a few days but they tend to be the face to face ones. The online polling ones (RedC/Ireland Thinks) may be done over a day or so. I think that there was a mention from Ireland Thinks on Twitter about a poll being done over a day. With the relatively small sample sizes (1K) and a good online polling platform, crunching that data would not be difficult. With RedC, the demographics and regional breakdowns work is already done because it is using a panel of 40K voters.

    What would make this hypothetical RedC poll interesting is that it would have captured the effects of the AIB/FFG screwup on FF/FG support. Remember the Irish Times/Ipsos showed government support down 7% since the last IT/Ipsos poll. With the anger over the AIB thing and the noise that FFers are making, it could be hitting FF a lot worse than FG. Doherty was leading the charge on this during the week and it would not be unthinkable to see SF's support % being larger than than the combined FFG %. It was 36% to a combined 33% for FF/FG in the June RedC.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The prediction on this thread of the down fall or loss of credibility of the government are frequent, at this stage if you believed this thread the government has no credibility anyway

    But I sure within the next few days we will have another prediction of the loss of credibility of the government

    Meanwhile in the real world the actual thread here discussing this doesn’t seem to have any of this sort and gloom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,546 ✭✭✭jmcc


    SF has, according to the opinion polls, more support than FF and FG combined. In some polls it is at the same approximate level of support as the FFG government due to the Margin of Error. The support for government parties has been declining since 2020. If a RedC poll showed SF support as having overtaken that of FFG you would, if you even knew what it was, try calling it a rogue poll.

    I've put you on ignore because you don't contribute anything useful or enlightening to the thread.

    *plonk*

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭shirrup


    FF essentially destroyed the economy, with the Troika needing to be called in to rescue us from ourselves, country lost its sovereignty etc etc.

    At the time, the FF govt were being accused of being in the pockets of bankers, and more interested in the well-being of the banks, than the citizens of Ireland.

    FG , who are traditionally opposition party, rode into town with all kinds of promises about the banks (Leo made a fairly infamous statement if anyone recalls it) were voted in, promising an end to cronyism, corruption and nepotism (that went well)

    11 years later, FFG now basically the one party, and this story is now making waves.

    A banking scandal, with FF back in govt, Greens with them, and FG in the background pulling various strokes. They're rotten to the core, all 3 party's.

    These imbeciles seem dead set on handing the main opposition an overall majority the way things are going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    So what if a poll says SF have overtaken FFG? a poll is not an election.

    Plus the motion SF tried to pull before the holidays was a disaster and just proved how incompetent they are. Also gave the chance for the government parties to call them out for the "flip flopping" they have been doing for 2 years.

    As I always say, the only poll that counts is an election and that ain't till 2025



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    A good gauge of the public is the thread on here which is a discussion about the removal of cash. It is not "making waves". The discussion is about should we get rid of cash or not, not about the government. That is what the population are talking about. I will say again, fake account on twitter is not a view of the public

    The spin on this thread is hilarious when every little thing that happens in Ireland is spun as the biggest disaster ever and then second later, the next thing is the biggest disaster ever

    IT was like the poor men from Syria in the hotel, that lasted as the biggest disaster ever for about 20 mins, then move on. Horrible carry on really.

    It might be an idea, just an idea, to stop over reacting to every single news story because when a real big news story does arrive everyone will ignore. If you haven't worked it out yet, that's what is happening in Ireland. A lot of people are sick of the same faux outrage over everything....its all just noise now.

    I doubt you will listen but said I would mention



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    FF FG vote share has fallen from the heady heights of 86% to what it is now and looks like it is going to fall further.

    They seem determined to carry on as they are which only means one thing.



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