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FG, FF or Labour aren't close to be right wing. They're all pro immigration, pro welfare and woke. They're pro capitalism which is about the only right wing thing that FG and FF have got going.
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The problem was that FF and FG both changed. FF was completely wired in to Irish society at a constituency level due to its cumann system. When Ahern and Cowen decided to move candidate selection to FFHQ, it destroyed a lot of that. But the worst self-inflicted wound was breaking the dual mandate thing with councillors also allowed to be TDs. The councils were the spawning ground for TDs. After that, the wannabe TDs and hasbeen TDs were confined to the Seanad. FG also had a problem with paper membership.
Labour could always be relied upon to sell out its voters in order to get into government. FF and FG understood this. Labour did it one time too many in 2011. A lot of the large employers of the 1970s and 1980s also disappeared so the old union support became less and less. Labour eventually became a YATSE party (Yet Another Teacher Seeking Election). It didn't have the diversity of professions that other parties had. It also depended on transfers from FF or FG to get its candidates elected. Without those transfers, its candidates didn't get elected. SF has moved in on the Left of centre votes that had been abandoned by Labour and now it is moving on the centrist votes that were once a mix of soft and hard FF votes. FF has shifted to the Right. It is now competing with FG and Labour for the Right of centre vote. Labour may claim to be progressive and woke but look at how it gleefully imposed Austerity and attempted to impose the Water Tax. Ironically, had Labour stayed out of government in 2011, it might have been as well supported as SF is now. But the Stickeis pension tourists were too interested in ministerial salaries and pensions.
The only thing that could save FF and FG now is if they merge. As a single party, they could gather enough support to be a viable party. That would create a sort of Left/Right axis in Irish politics. The problem is that there would be a lot of political careers ended in FF and FG. The biggest difference between the time FF/FG were on 86% and now is that FF/FG has lost control of the media and the Web and Social Media makes it far more difficult to control the narrative even with meatbots and shills. Most people no longer buy a daily newspaper but FF/FG seem to think that they do. It is why they largely ignored the rise of the Web and Social Media until it was too late.
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It is no surprise that the crony coalition thought that AIB would get away with it. It was only when their own seats and political careers were in danger that they made it seem like they were taking action. That stroke with political party lotteries and fundraising showed that the FF stereotype is not dead yet. SF would need to be closing on the mid 40s in terms of opinion poll support for a majority government. With the opinion polls, it is very difficult to estimate constituency level support as these are national polls. FF's best option would be to walk from government now before the real cost of living problems kick in in the Autumn with the increased fuel prices.
There seems to be a real FF and wannabe FGer (Martin and his gang) split developing in FF. The real FFers need something major on which to break with FG. Getting the budget passed could be a major opportunity for the real FF element and a major problem for the FG/wannabe FG/Greens. The other aspect is that the Green fanaticism over culling the national herd is going to lead to a reduction in FF/FG seats unless some way of sidelining the Greens can be found before the cabinet meeting next week.
FF FG vote share has fallen from the heady heights of 86% to what it is now and looks like it is going to fall further.
They seem determined to carry on as they are which only means one thing.
A good gauge of the public is the thread on here which is a discussion about the removal of cash. It is not "making waves". The discussion is about should we get rid of cash or not, not about the government. That is what the population are talking about. I will say again, fake account on twitter is not a view of the public
The spin on this thread is hilarious when every little thing that happens in Ireland is spun as the biggest disaster ever and then second later, the next thing is the biggest disaster ever
IT was like the poor men from Syria in the hotel, that lasted as the biggest disaster ever for about 20 mins, then move on. Horrible carry on really.
It might be an idea, just an idea, to stop over reacting to every single news story because when a real big news story does arrive everyone will ignore. If you haven't worked it out yet, that's what is happening in Ireland. A lot of people are sick of the same faux outrage over everything....its all just noise now.
I doubt you will listen but said I would mention
So what if a poll says SF have overtaken FFG? a poll is not an election.
Plus the motion SF tried to pull before the holidays was a disaster and just proved how incompetent they are. Also gave the chance for the government parties to call them out for the "flip flopping" they have been doing for 2 years.
As I always say, the only poll that counts is an election and that ain't till 2025
FF essentially destroyed the economy, with the Troika needing to be called in to rescue us from ourselves, country lost its sovereignty etc etc.
At the time, the FF govt were being accused of being in the pockets of bankers, and more interested in the well-being of the banks, than the citizens of Ireland.
FG , who are traditionally opposition party, rode into town with all kinds of promises about the banks (Leo made a fairly infamous statement if anyone recalls it) were voted in, promising an end to cronyism, corruption and nepotism (that went well)
11 years later, FFG now basically the one party, and this story is now making waves.
A banking scandal, with FF back in govt, Greens with them, and FG in the background pulling various strokes. They're rotten to the core, all 3 party's.
These imbeciles seem dead set on handing the main opposition an overall majority the way things are going.
SF has, according to the opinion polls, more support than FF and FG combined. In some polls it is at the same approximate level of support as the FFG government due to the Margin of Error. The support for government parties has been declining since 2020. If a RedC poll showed SF support as having overtaken that of FFG you would, if you even knew what it was, try calling it a rogue poll.
I've put you on ignore because you don't contribute anything useful or enlightening to the thread.
*plonk*
The prediction on this thread of the down fall or loss of credibility of the government are frequent, at this stage if you believed this thread the government has no credibility anyway
But I sure within the next few days we will have another prediction of the loss of credibility of the government
Meanwhile in the real world the actual thread here discussing this doesn’t seem to have any of this sort and gloom
Not exactly sure. Some of the random sample polls can take a few days but they tend to be the face to face ones. The online polling ones (RedC/Ireland Thinks) may be done over a day or so. I think that there was a mention from Ireland Thinks on Twitter about a poll being done over a day. With the relatively small sample sizes (1K) and a good online polling platform, crunching that data would not be difficult. With RedC, the demographics and regional breakdowns work is already done because it is using a panel of 40K voters.
What would make this hypothetical RedC poll interesting is that it would have captured the effects of the AIB/FFG screwup on FF/FG support. Remember the Irish Times/Ipsos showed government support down 7% since the last IT/Ipsos poll. With the anger over the AIB thing and the noise that FFers are making, it could be hitting FF a lot worse than FG. Doherty was leading the charge on this during the week and it would not be unthinkable to see SF's support % being larger than than the combined FFG %. It was 36% to a combined 33% for FF/FG in the June RedC.
Would the people be polled by RedC on Friday or Saturday? The timing of the AIB revelation are key.
This AIB thing is really destroying the credibility of FFG. RedC regional breakdowns might be interesting even though the Margin of Error is much higher on those.
Based on the thread on boards the majority seem to be thinking “who cares”
The predictions on here about what the public thinks seem to be very presumptions and from what I can see incorrect
As I said before, taking the opinion of a load of fake accounts on Twitter is not a good view of the public 👍
Its game on now. A lot of explaining to do and when you're explaining you are losing. I know what the public will think no matter what excuses are made. Caught rotten.
Paschal regretting those Tesco comments by all accounts but this from Twiiter, perhaps so marketing possibilities.
It's alive on Twitter all day , I'm not a big user but posed a few pertainent questions in the right direction , these questions got quite a response.
Let us know if there's a new poll , we look forward to them (well most of us do ) 😏
Wonder how the Sunday newspapers are going to cover the FFG/AIB screwup? I think that there's a RedC poll due tonight but as it is the Silly Season, it might be September before the Business Post resumes RedC polling. I think that FG was at 19% and FF was at 14% in the last RedC poll. It would really cause problems in FF and for Martin if the AIB thing caused FF's support to go below 10% in RedC polling. It actually reached a low of 10% in 2020.
Apologies, just can't be avoided in the day that's in it 😁
This seems to have gone pear-shaped for Martin and FFG. Far from being tough and standing up for the voters against AIB, it seems that they were informed by the bank. This is a major story and the typically pro-FG Indo is leading with the news that AIB had briefed officials on this before the announcement.
It is interesting to see the quotes from particular FFers in the Indo article. The rift between the real FFers and the FF cabinet members seems to have grown. More importantly for the stability of the FFG government, the real FFers seem to be rather angry with Donohoe and FG. The three Independent TDs managed to get more positive coverage than the entire FF party.
Fairly simple, as usual we have a regular poster blaming the Irish government because of problem in the North. It's just another day of people covering up for 24 years of nothing from the assembly. It's a broken record
Who blamed this government for the mess of the executive? Can you quote them? Another absolutely shameless (and frightfully poor) deflection attempt AGAIN.
I'm sensing another Secretary General being hauled before a committee and Paschal trying to deflect, I'm sensing more Lessons to be learned . It's just astonishing, this Government is literally the Gift, that just keeps Giving
Dear me. That, if true, is shocking.
Who blamed the Irish Govt for problems in the North?
I must have missed that part.
Wonder has Micheal called Leo about Paschal the wee rascal yet
Not appointing Unionist Ian Marshall was a real real swing and a miss IMO. FF/FG/Gr lip service only to an idea of a 'Shared Island'.
In case the Examiner is assassinated too, here's the IT with the same story:
The 3.5b provided by the government for cross border, suppose we are supposed to forget about that
As I said, start at the assembly and the people in it if you want to blame anyone.
Absolute joke at this stage you are going on about the Dail and Northern Ireland. 24 years parties are in the assembly and done NOTHING.
Deflection, deflection, deflection everywhere
Oh Paschal what have you done. Should go back to chatting to imaginary friends in tesco
You point out a fallacy in the idea of a 'Shared Island' and BA proves that it is all a fallacy. 😁
You're a master class at deflection, what in the name of all that's holy has the mess that is the executive, got to do with the Taoiseach of ireland not appointing any resident from the north?
Why can't you stick to the discussion, I'm guessing you find it easier to deflect onto some other narrative, one which you plucked from your backside?
Neither to I 😏 remarkable stamina
