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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭D_D


    Looks like it did go live this morning, with the grant for charger installation extended to any homeowner, even if they do not own an EV;

    New grant for people without driveways to access electric vehicle charging (thejournal.ie)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yeah I'm just mulling over options, just seems mad to have an Ioniq as essentially a runaround car doing 50 km a week. Contacted a few "we buy any car" dealers and they are all offering between 16 and 17k so I'm not sure that's enough to bother trading down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Was looking at the price of 2016 Leaf24s there and dealerships are asking €10k or more 😱

    €6k profit for trading to a Leaf doesn't seem worth it

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Some videos uploaded by SEAI



    Good news, management companies can claim up to 80% of costs back and the €600 grant is now available for apartment dwellers

    The potentially bad news is that it's entirely up to the management company to install a charging network before individual residents can install a charger

    Last management company I dealt with struggled to read the electricity meters within a month of requesting, so I'm not particularly hopeful for any proactive behaviour on their part

    Hopefully residents groups will start pestering their management companies to start applying for grants

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Also, the government publication

    Plus a nice bit of advertising for ESB

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    I feel like that's gotta be against some law somewhere to mention one particular private company ahead of any of it's competitors...

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Also, a bit of info on the commercial vehicle trial

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    So 30 minibuses and 20 vans if I'm reading that correctly. I wonder what models will be offered

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    How to apply


    To apply, you need to partner with a Charge Point Operator who will provide you with a quotation and technical guidance on the best solution.


    We recommend that the management company first seeks out three quotes from SEAI registered Charge Point Operators (CPO). CPOs will be responsible for managing the billing systems and maintenance once the infrastructure is in place and they will also be responsible for coordinating the required works.

    The CPO will push the most expensive solution as there is a grant in place duh! The property management doesn't care as it is not their money and push for that and the end user will foot a bill for an eccentric system. i.e. upgraded grid connection, 22kW, commercial meter (no night rate), online dashboard (read monthly subscription), 1k quid protective pillar (like the one at Laois CoCo). I'm pretty sure no CPO will say individual connections to each unit meter, with load limiter and a simple charge point that meets the spec to fit the grant and 10% discount if you buy more than 5 at once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Sounds like a good business opportunity 😁

    I tend to agree regarding the CPO's, unless there's someone who familiar with EV ownership involved then you aren't going to get a good solution for the end user

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,432 ✭✭✭markpb


    I would have thought connecting a charge point in a remote parking space to the meter in the apartment could be very expensive in some places? And it assumes that each owner has their own dedicated parking space which might not be true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Depends, if it's an underground car park it could be done reasonably cheaply.

    The meters tend to be in the car park already so you'd just need to run steel conduit around the car park to the meter room

    Each owner could then pull a cable through to their space and drop it down to an individual charger

    That only works if there's allocated parking of course


    Aboveground parking is potentially more expensive as there's groundworks involved. But that's one of those instances where cabling up a bunch of spaces would bring the cost per charger down a lot

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253


    ”There is also the draft National EV Strategy underwent public and stakeholder consultation earlier this year. There were over 14,000 responses to the online questionnaire along with detailed written submissions received from both individuals and organisations.

    Responses and submissions received as part of the consultation are currently being considered in the development of the final Strategy for publication later this year.”


    Will the State’s new initiatives make it any easier to buy an electric vehicle?





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    Its very easy if the state wants to make it easier to buy an electric vehicle.

    They could overnight reduce the purchase price significantly by getting rid of VRT on EVs

    You would incentivise consumers very quickly to buy an EV over an ICE.

    We pay over the odds thanks to Govt taxes. As its a % based tax, it increases as the cost of the car increases. Any other 'initiative' is measure is simply smoke and mirrors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I don't think any level of tax measures are going to increase the rate of EV uptake for the next couple of years, there just isn't the supply available

    I like that the focus is shifting to improving the charging networks and allowing apartment dwellers to access private chargers

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,322 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    We did that already. There has been a €5k reduction on VRT on EV's for many years now which effectively meant there was no VRT for a lot of EV's.

    It has been changed in recent budgets to only apply to "cheaper" EV's and it will eventually be removed entirely but the point is that your suggestion has already been done... supply is the main issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253


    I see the new chargers have to be smart from September to get the grant.

    Waiting for the conspiracy theories to start about how the ESB/Gubberment will restrict charging between certain hours, similar to the conversation that happened in the UK.


    EV Smart Charger Register

    From 1st September 2022 the Home Charger grant, administered by SEAI, will only provide funding for Smart Chargers. This will improve safety, prevent excessive electrical demand and facilitate better integration with renewable energy sources. For manufacturers and installers wishing to register their products please see this page.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


    You could try for 20k private sale. What year? Early 2017 are out of the everything Hyundai warranty but still have main battery warranty. Depreciation is probably near zero or 1000 euro per year. It's hardly worth the change with a car you know. It also has CCS versus leaf or most Zoe's.


    In terms of smart chargers, there must be lots of non smart chargers in stock with installers and wholesalers. Not much notice given to use up, although any approvals in August will be valid for 6 months non smart charger. Used non smart charger pricing might be dropping as you can no longer get grant during installation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    I’m seeing a good few 222s on the local (south Dublin N11) roads over these last few days.

    Totally anecdotal of course, but from what I’ve seen I’d say it’s around 40% full electric. Fairly high standard of cars in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Smart charging has been a requirement for the UK equivalent of the SEAI grant for quite a while now. Chances are most chargers sold here are primarily aimed at the UK market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    It has been changed in recent budgets to only apply to "cheaper" EV's and it will eventually be removed entirely but the point is that your suggestion has already been done... supply is the main issue.

    Supply is an issue across the board, not just EVs and will resolve in time.

    My point is that VRT should be abolished entirely on EVs. Im not aware this has been tried at all. The €5k reduction is the perfect example of tinkering with policies rather than a serious push by Govt to electrify the fleet.

    VRT makes our new car prices some of the highest in the EU and paddy is the chump taking the hit.

    The government has no hope of acheiving its target of 1 million electric vehicles on the road by 2030 with the current measures.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,825 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Throwing away this €600, better off direct incentive of abolishing Motor Tax, would provide incentive to 5 EV drivers versus some randomer putting in a home charge point for the sake of it and never touching an EV



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭UID0


    I'm not sure approvals received in August will be valid with a non-smart charger. The terms and conditions state that if they are changed after the initial application, then the revised terms and conditions apply to the application.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,322 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    My point is that VRT should be abolished entirely on EVs. Im not aware this has been tried at all.

    It effectively was abolished as the VRT was nearly always less than €5k. That has changed recently though with a lot of cars costing €60k+ so VRT needs to be paid for those, but for years now all the Leaf's/Zoe's/Ioniq's etc had zero VRT.... basically any BEV under ~€35k paid no VRT for close to the last decade.


    The government has no hope of acheiving its target of 1 million electric vehicles on the road by 2030 with the current measures.

    That goal was always a hopeless target that had zero chance of ever being achieved, but I guess you have to think big. Current supply constraints have just made it even more unachievable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I think the actual percentage of EVs on typically 1 hour daily commute during rush hour is high in terms of EV ownership.

    For those with 100km+ daily commute it's a no brainer to go EV for fuel savings. I did the sums and it made sense to go EV asap due to fuel savings. The numbers are entirely different for those only making local trips to nearby schools and supermarket. The quality/age of cars on long daily commute dont really represent normal buyers of new cars. It's great to see lots of EVs in daily use but we are far from targets and lots of diesels and petrols still being sold, while supply of EVs is mostly limited by manufacturers not demand due to supply chain limits. Lots of people hanging onto old car as they cannot decide if to go EV or buy new diesel or petrol. The prices of used EVs really had risen as demand has risen a lot by those with daily commute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I see Herbert Diess has been ousted as VW boss. Wonder if it will affect the direction VW are going, Diess was very much pro EV..

    https://www.ft.com/content/f73ee239-8c2a-4344-b042-2d78c646506b



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Is the point of it to encourage hotels, shops, gyms, cinemas, tourist attractions etc to put in more AC chargers so less people will need enroute charging?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Behind a paywall. But a quick google shows it's official. Terrible news. Diess was the only saviour VW were going to get, they should have counted their blessings with him. But I guess there is no such thing as they or them. The problem with VW is that it is not owned by ordinary shareholders like most other big companies.


    So let us say goodbye to the numbers one and two of the past, Toyota and Volkswagen (in no particular order). And let's say welcome to the numbers one and two of the future, BYD and Tesla (in no particular order).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah bad news, he was constantly clashing with the works council, probably because he wanted to fire half of middle management for being useless at their jobs 😏

    Hopefully the rest of VW is seeing the light and will continue their electrification strategy

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,636 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I used to think that. I still would like to see that happen. They made a great start early on in 2015 / 2016 with excellent EVs for reasonable money. Unfortunately their production numbers are still very low. They don't seem to be able to produce EVs in big numbers (like say a million a year or thereabouts), like Tesla and BYD have already proven they can.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,825 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I think companies can well afford a charge point, they are not expensive in the overall cost of running a business and tax deductible



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