Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

21-07-2022 09:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119369925#Comment_119369925

Ukraine has (had) a population of c. 40m. The number you quote as leaving is staggering and far in excess of the number anywhere near a war zone. People clearly taking the opportunity to get out of a country that was incredibly poor, divided and rife with corruption. Hoping (expecting) that the arrangements in their new homes become permanent if the war in the east drags on and countries don’t have the appetite to send them back home.

There are many that are genuinely from a war zone. But the numbers clearly show that most are just seeking opportunity

Clearly there’s no appetite to get ahead of this problem. So we need to be very rigorous in withdrawing temporary support and cancelling visas when the time comes. When ‘temporary’ is over.

Furze99 · 21-07-2022 09:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119367556#Comment_119367556

With respect, I did listen. He employed two as you - father & son who intended to go onto Cork. But he also said that he'd been approached by other Ukrainian men as well, presumably as result of hiring above. Which was also part charity on his part.

These don't sound like OAPs or lads with illnesses. Time for a thorough check to establish and repatriate Ukrainian men eligible for service of some sort back in Ukraine.

jmreire · 21-07-2022 09:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119365966#Comment_119365966

Just for the sake of discussion, Russia had attacked Alaska instead of Ukraine back in February, where would Russia be now militarily and politically?

21-07-2022 09:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119369982#Comment_119369982

Sigh

Go look up the full list of population centers that have been overrun, then look at the prewar populations and add up that figure.

Next look at all population centers that have been hit by missiles/rockets/artillery that are not near the front. Look at the population figures for those.

Now the second group will not be anywhere near as large but a lot of folks will leave if there are missiles landing in a location.

Now look at the population centers close to those that haven't been hit by anything yet (for no other reason than luck) and have a guess at how safe the populations in those feel

There's a reason over 12 million have walked away from their homes in Ukraine

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/05/ukraine-millions-displaced-traumatised-and-urgently-need-help-say-experts

21-07-2022 09:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370046#Comment_119370046

Yea, im sure that proportion of the population feel unsafe when seeing what the alternatives are. I doubt quite as many would feel unsafe if the alternatives were Georgia or Kazakhstan or Turkey.

in any case, won’t make any difference now. The doors and incentives are and will remain open. Like i said, and accept that there is little that can be done to identify those in need as against those taking an opportunity

the important think will be to ensure that temporary, in terms of visa and supports, is temporary

AnaB · 21-07-2022 09:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119366640#Comment_119366640

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/elena-baturina-closes-in-on-morrison-hotel-sale-for-more-than-65m-1.4505795

21-07-2022 09:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370076#Comment_119370076

Yea, im sure that proportion of the population feel unsafe when seeing what the alternatives are. I doubt quite as many would feel unsafe if the alternatives were Georgia or Kazakhstan or Turkey.

Turkey - 145,000 refugees

Georgia - 21,000 refugees

Kazakhstan - Not reported anywhere

I wonder, do those numbers for Turkey and Georgia work for your bizarre logic?

21-07-2022 09:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370153#Comment_119370153

Probably an easier journey for those fleeing war, who are less concerned with what’s on offer

but I said, it is a moot point now.

the important thing is that visas and supports are temporary

Dempo1 · 21-07-2022 10:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119369990#Comment_119369990

With all due respect back, did I even mention OAP or lads with illnesses 🤔 I was explaining an interesting and relevant interview and what I took from it was what I shared. The podcast is now available, Today with Claire byrne if folks want to listen back.

21-07-2022 10:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370197#Comment_119370197

the important thing is that visas and supports are temporary

Indeed the supports being provided are great and its important they get this support to help them.

The supports will allow for many to get themselves settled and sorted out with jobs, education etc as there will be many who will likely never return given the devastation.

For those folks the govt have already said the route to asylum is open to them though they don't need to apply for it due to the activation of the EU directive but to be honest what I'm guessing will happen is they (the ones that remain postwar) will gradually be transitioned over to full permissions (stamp 4) en route to citizenship as it'll take decades to rebuild Ukraine

21-07-2022 11:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119367499#Comment_119367499

They can work 3 days and retain some benefits just like everyone else.

What's a total slap to the Irish and other immigrant unemployed is that they have free accommodation, meals and 206e pocket money.

Dempo1 · 21-07-2022 11:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370565#Comment_119370565

Indeed but its a concept some are just becoming aware off, you know, what everyone else faces when they work, even part time, the only difference of course is they still have to pay their rents, bills, food etc. I'm sensing more and more will soon realise work not worth it 😉

21-07-2022 11:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370593#Comment_119370593

Have a Ukrainian working with me.very good English. Had family here.

Dempo1 · 21-07-2022 11:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370601#Comment_119370601

Well that's good to hear 😉

bb12 · 22-07-2022 12:07AM

hmmmm...so i guess my musings on whether unauthorised weapons could have been transported into this state might not have been so wide of the mark...if illegal immigrants are doing this in the UK, it's quite possible and even likely this is happening here too

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11036899/Channel-migrants-landed-Britain-GUNS-Asylum-seekers-triggered-alerts-security-databases.html

xxxxxxl · 22-07-2022 01:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119369917#Comment_119369917

Why Is the Polish Gov buying them up or renting them out ?

Moragle · 22-07-2022 08:43AM

I've said before I live in a very rural area and we've had about 80 Ukrainians placed here already with a disused hotel getting done up ready to take more. The gps here are already flat out and we're forced to take them on. However I met a man from Ukraine a few days ago, he was born in 1939. I can't imagine what this is like for him, leaving his home knowing he'll probably never see it again. I like most others in this thread feel so sorry for the genuine refugees. It's the ones putting up on Facebook that they want a free stay in Dublin on their way to Canada or I'm in Spain can I come to Ireland, that annoy me. And that is entirely on the government, why wouldn't you come here when you'll get 200 quid a week plus food and bed. I'd live in a tent for that sort of spare spends a week!

Potatoeman · 22-07-2022 08:58AM

Given Ireland’s history with plantations we should start calling our Taoiseach Micheal Martin Cromwell.

Dempo1 · 22-07-2022 09:08AM

So this morning, Government asking Hotels to accommodate more Ukrainian families, offering €135 per night.

zell12 · 22-07-2022 09:09AM

-.

zell12 · 22-07-2022 09:12AM

"We've had to have three husbands removed from [our] hotel because they were issues within the family, five months in one room is very hard"

zell12 · 22-07-2022 09:14AM

"The first State contract was March-June, now June-December" says a hotelier in Bray

"I know a number of Ukrainians who have moved from other eastern european countries to Ireland, they are economic refugees"

zell12 · 22-07-2022 09:21AM

"so the country is being swamped [with refugees]" "I also have an incident where people want to go home [to Ukraine] for a short time and want me to hold their [hotel] room for them" says hotelier Lorraine Sweeney

Dempo1 · 22-07-2022 09:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371139#Comment_119371139

Extraordinary interview, I didn't get to hear it all but my word, extraordinary , even Hoteliers admitting their accommodation is not suitable long term. Noticed also they very shy to discuss numbers, rates being paid.

They'll be only too thrilled to continue arrangements, there'll be no bleak winter for many hotels in Ireland.

zell12 · 22-07-2022 09:51AM

You wouldn't hear that stuff on RTÉ! It'll be on Newstalk podcast in the next few hours

patnor1011 · 22-07-2022 09:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371095#Comment_119371095

Of course. We know it for some time that our government is landlords friendly. Why would they pass on opportunity to make few euros...

Subzero3 · 22-07-2022 10:01AM

Housing and health crisis and our government is giving economic migrants tax payers hard earned cash, free accommodation and free medical cards.

What a sham, I hope people remember this when they come canvassing for your vote.

Dempo1 · 22-07-2022 10:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371288#Comment_119371288

The fact that they are openly asking is a sign of desperation. As I mentioned earlier, discussions are taking place with a number of hotels to block book but there's complications and besides few if any can commit to full block booking until late Aug, mid September at the earliest.

Roll on Gormanstown 2

22-07-2022 10:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370372#Comment_119370372

Asylum will need more than just being Ukrainian. At least I ****^ hope so. Wonder how Zelensky would feel about his population being incentivised to not go home and help rebuild

road_high · 22-07-2022 10:07AM

The piece on RTE Claire Byrne show radio yesterday was very enlightening- very few of these “skilled” Ukrainians have gained employment or bothered to- shock horror, it would take 9 weeks to get back on the welfare (that little detail has applied to us Irish for decades but Ukrainians obviously feel they’re more special).

Also employer in cork saying how surprised how he was to see so many young men approaching him for work.

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