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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I swear, I'd nothing to do with it, honestly, promise, cross my heart etc etc 😉🙃

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    No ER feeling left out , its like watching 3 children fighting over a candy bar .


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    For a newspaper that gets so many of these articles it is confusing why they can never get a person to make a comment with their name beside it

    Incredible that they have such bad luck that all these contacts who are so willing to talk to them yet don’t want to give their names on any of these articles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    You coukd have just said the Irish Examiner made this up along with anything else you don't like reading



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Have you never heard of sources? The term 'a government source'? I know you have difficulty with the term 'secret', but while loads of people might know who the sources are, it's unlikely to be made public outside of a few people; 'confidential', (no wait we know that means nothing to some), let's say purposefully 'unrevealed'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The paper of record seem to have the same issue:

    Sources familiar with events say O’Sullivan had no idea how many people would turn up and when he first arranged the meeting he had no idea that party leader and Taoiseach Micheál Martin was on his way to Ukraine.

    Fianna Fáil backbenchers rise up, but Taoiseach is not in their crosshairs - for now – The Irish Times


    RTE the same

    The 29-person meeting itself at least initially had sincere beginnings, something the majority of the dozen TDs and senators who privately spoke with RTÉ News after attending the discussion have confirmed.

    The FF backbench meeting that Martin cannot ignore (rte.ie)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭jmcc



    The lack of named sources is common enough with these kinds of stories. No doubt we'll get a lecture on investigative journalism from journalism "experts". With a leadership challenge few will want their names to appear with a comment until things are well underway. It makes a change from the usual government press release recycling and should be extremely worrying for Martin. That claim that they only wanted to discuss policies was quite laughable. FF seems to be planning for Martin to be removed after the handover in December but the more that he complains, the greater the possibility of things spiralling out of control becomes. The worst case will be a disorderly transition to a new FF leader complete with a very bad tempered Ard Fheis.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I suspect there's still a little bitterness towards da examiner , the paper that broke the story over a certain Golf outing and some other Juicy stories.

    I'm intrigued at the concern about "Unnamed Sources" it's as if its something new in Journalism. I seem to recall un named sources helped break some of the biggest news stories ever, around the word . Indeed whistle Blowers in a sense are initially "Unnamed Sources" and now thankfully get certain protections.

    Indeed the concept of "Unnamed Sources" not confined to Journalism, they are the main source of convenient leaks in Politics, Some refer to them as "Leaky Leakers", some refer to them has "Spokespersons ", some refer to them as "Senior Sources", Many refer to them has exorbitantly paid "Special Advisors" and my word this and the previous government have plenty of them.

    Indeed ER getting a lot of flake over the extraordinary amount he has and the cost of them , not withstanding one particular appointment which has raised quite a few Eyebrows. I'm actually amazed there's not more uproar over the entire Special Advisors scandal, it's outrageous.

    But of course the Main Source of Convenient Sources of information is the Impressive FG communications and SM Unit, we know very little of its make up but certainly see it in action almost Daily, most notably on that dastardly Twitter and of course in media circles under the Guise of "Unnmaed Sources" 😏

    Nothing at all new about "Unnamed Sources " I'm afraid .

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    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    One of the Journalists who broke that story (got plenty of she is just a Shinner, Northern Ra head etc thrown at her) has left the Examiner to join the Sunday Times.

    Will that paper also now be junk now to the usual crew?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Was that the Joint Winner of Journalist of the Year 😏, I heard she had left , didn't realise it was to go to the Times which will predictably become another unreliable source of information 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Poor Daragh , can he get anything right 🙄

    Apologies, its that dreadful paper again 😁.



    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Oh I was wondering what the sudden accusation of FG sock puppet on other threads and now a FG communications unit on Twitter 🤣

    So instead of the opposition trying to resolve the online bots and fake accounts they are doing the usual and pointing the finger at everyone us

    F**king hilarious….you actually couldn’t make this stuff up. Actually it seems someone can 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

    Leave you to it, that’s made my day!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Actually the pay rise is for all politicians, government ones included. Every time there is a public pay deal they are part of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Expense abuse tends to be across the political divide and there are complete chancers everywhere. Just shaming the government side for some cheap point scoring ignores this. TBH we shouldn't even need to be talking about this and a robust system that eliminates all potential abuse is in everyone's interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Gosh , you must have terribly dull days , it's 8.15 and your day made already .

    Are you in denial of the existence of a certain "Communications Unit " , there's lots of info , I'm happy to supply , albeit you'll claim that info is Guff I suppose.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Isn't she along with another journalist, Alison Morris, suing the most famous anonymous account holder of all - Eoghan Harris ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Some people adopt a pro-government stance, if they are satisfied with what they do, regardless of who is in there. Some folks also do nuance and can appreciate the good and bad across the political spectrum. For example, one could recognise the good work of Catherine Connolly but not vote Independent or think that Catherine Martin is doing a great job but not vote Green.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Thats her, certain people here in the 26 counties not happy a young good looking lady from the 6 counties is successful. They prefer journalists who don't dig too deep



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Also dubious about where the Examiner get stuff but really just silly season stories. The alleged crisis of conscience in all three parties seems to be the aim of a lot of this so-called political coverage, when they are really just internal gripes. The Greens need to remember that without the cover of the other two parties they wouldn't be getting these policies enacted in the first place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Why would you be 'dubious' as a matter of interest?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Lately, far too many poor journalism pieces and it is the dog days of summer where little happens and stories are little more than clickbait. I'd also like to see a bit more than "a source told me". Might as well be a man with two pints!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    That's rather cynical,, Dubious when it comes to Political stories, or generally 🤔

    I do agree the standard of Journalism generally is pretty dreadful and there's obvious Bias at our National Broadcaster but that's almost a given.

    But you seem focused on the Examiner, why one wonders 🤔

    I've not seen any Denials of the story I mentioned.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Is that why we had people posting on here about fake webpages using Leo? Is the FG "communications unit" now sending them out as well? 😂

    Im sure you have "lots of info" 😂 along with the claims on here that suddenly board was full of sock puppet accounts for FG 😂

    All parties in Ireland and independents will have a media department or communication unit. They always have. Even the boyos in Kerry I am sure have a cousin been paid by the government to run advertisements, etc

    Fact is the only party running fake accounts, bots, etc is a certain opposition party. As I said already more than willing to discuss on the relevant thread.

    It's very transparent what the latest spin is, instead of fixing the obvious issue with that party...no no no....lets just create an imaginary one in another one

    Really, try harder.

    The obsession with FG really is concerning now. Do people not realise they have an issue when even google is giving them ad's about a party. 👻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    As shown, silly season affects them all and 'sources said'(the Indo is famous for it) has been a feature of press stories across media, as shown also. Perfectly reasonable that there are times when sources cannot be named.

    Seems to me there has been a concerted effort to downplay this newspaper not since they broke the Golfgate story, but since they led the way on the Maurice McCabe story with diligent and comprehensive reporting and investigation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well, they ran a COVID story recently which was misleading, completely wrong and pure clickbait because it had a COVID headline. That's shoddy journalism and this one is not a lot better. Not everything is like that but definitely a downward trajectory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,143 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Hmmm, obsession with FG, indeed you do apparently 😉

    But as I've said they do have an impressive communications Unit, albeit not performing well of late.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I think they have very mixed standards and yes I agree they have produced some good stuff but some utter dross as well. In the need to attract clicks it's unsurprising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    If you had time and went back over all of the Examiners "scoops" I bet the amount that came true are very very low. It's not just the Examiner mind, some others have questionable "sources"

    Fair play to them, they realised some people don't care about the source or if the story is true. They will share and the Examiner will get clicks so extra advertisement.

    Every party knows the Examiner has aligned to a certain opposition, so the question is why would any party source or government TD talk to the examiner when they have all the other media sources in Ireland they can bounce stories off and know they will have a favour in the pocket then.

    It just doesn't add up to me...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,587 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Any data on these claims BA?

    I know you won't produce any, but it's important to challenge these assassination attempts.



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