Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Riddle me this, what exactly has working with our EU counterparts achieved precisely 🤔

Chaos

Recession

Mass migration

Crisis after crisis

Virtue Signalling browny points..

Now Ireland

Government promising the sun, moon and stars with not a thought about the lack of infrastructure, Planning Financial burden and most importantly NO ACCOMMODATION.

Few if any EU member states have had to spend so much on Block booking Hotels, let alone subsidising renovation of buildings that in normal circumstances would be unacceptable. €10"s of millions expected to be spent on temporary housing and now, farce has gone to fiction, Tent Cities.

Benifits, its no wonder other countries weren't concerned, they are paying a fraction in benefits compared to the Lottery in Ireland and few supplying actual accommodation.

Pledged accommodation in essence considered not up to scratch and yet its perfectly acceptable for Ukrainian refugees to sleep on floors, community halls and old terminal buildings.

It's not getting any better, it's been a farce from the outset, imploding in front of our eyes and the solution 🤔Keep em coming and blame UK asylum policy whilst their at it.

Now for the Bits you seem more offended by, FACTS.

A. Ignorance of the fact 10.5k people already in emergency Accommodation and 1000"s on waiting lists, perhaps not a concern for some, but sticking two fingers up to them and prioritising what are supposed to be temporary refugees is outrageous.

B. How about those trying already to rent a home, feck them I suppose.

C. Benifits. In normal circumstances people have to jump through hoops and can only dream of what's been thrown at Ukrainians to include full meal plans, free accommodation and retention of full benefits.

D. PPS numbers, how about those who arrived here on work permits or visa's waiting months for a PPS number and yet there being handed out like confetti at ports of entry.

E. Heavens above, what about those in DP on €38 per week, actually what about the 4k in DP, now fully approved to stay, still stuck in DP because there's nowhere for them to go.

F. Two Tier and discriimatory SUPPORTS, is that acceptable.

G. Disgraceful bending and waiving of rules regarding opening bank accounts, getting car insurance, rules the rest of us are required to follow.

H. How about the Ukrainian tourism WE'RE sponsoring, Already admitted Ukranian refugees, going back and forth on Jollys at taxpayers expense, no other refugee or asylum seeker or indeed jobseeker would be permitted to head off out of the country when it suited them, and whilst I'm at it, visiting an alledged war zone.

I'll stop but could go on for hours, I must insure I watch my blood pressure.

Xenophobia, Racism my Arse.

We're being bled dry, No one objects to protection, reaonsble financial supports, what they do object to is bring treated like fools and its actually our own government that's promoting discrimination and its firmly directed at Irish Citizens and Others "Who Don't look like us"

Dempo, can you understand that the EU taking on the refugees like that will be cheaper in the long run than waiting for a few years until the Russians have rebuilt their "empire" and then trying to face them down directly?

As I said, there appear to be a few Moscow Micks and Comrade Clares on here. But most of the aren't naive enough to think that Putin is a sound lad that only wants to help a few Russian speakers in the Donbas and as soon as he has them sorted he'll stop.

It will never happen unfortunately maybe enquiries but I won't hold my breath 😏

Hi there, look everybody understands the horrors of war and its a Russian made cluster fcuk in the 1st instance. The problem here is this war is going to go on for years, people think its going to be over by the end of this year need to have their head examined.

British and American intel services have even predicted it could go on for 10/20 years, so how is Ireland inc / Irish taxpayer going to afford the current sh1tshow , whats your solution, keep borrowing more?

Im just back from the Czech republic and Slovakia and have seen the military equipment being rushed to the Slovak/ Ukraine border.

Czech republic have taken in 330k Ukrainian refugees, they are a very wealth country compared to Ireland, we owe as a small country €241 billion , this is a horrendous figure.

The Ukrainians Ive met in Dublin are mostly English speaking and highly educated btw. Its the system here in Ireland I have an issue with not the actual refugees..

The EU should be told to go and do one, Ireland is full up.

They can admit they don't need to belong in NATO. Thats for another debate. Ukrianie think they will win, if they do it will cost thousands more lives, and billions more in infrastructure. Its just going slow motion now. Peace always wins in the end when beligrents max out. Russia hasn't even officially mobilised the masses. There's a long way to go.

The EU will break up before Russia, that's guaranteed. The Ukrianinan immigration issue is just one of the straw's that will be its downfall.

Let them eat cake…I’m personally comfortably off but to come out with this level of patronising drivel takes some neck. You haven’t a bloody clue how (very many) some live here - pay slip to pay slip. Embarrassed for you

Nobody would disagree with what you said, but who does it help to say we are open to refugees but then don't have adequate accommodation to house them.

The only way the madness will stop is if Putin gets a bullet or the west neutralise the Russian artillery which is unleashing hell on innocent people.

O Dear, you clearly don't know me or have witnessed my objectivity for months on this Thread. I get your reasonably new to Boards, finding your feet so to speak.

I don't do emotion or offer tummy rubbing services, I check facts, will on occasion be wrong, apologise freely if incorrect. I don't patronise nor do I jump in head first with my thumb in my bum and mind in neutral.

Not only do I know Ukraine but clearly a little more of the world than you do.

I freely admit to beng vocal but try not to be to be Rude, I've also unbeknown to you. Called out outlandish fairy tales and misinformation and defended others not afraid to ask difficult questions.

You've simply popped in, thrown out ridiculous claims and have now been put back in your box.

I've given you far more attention than deserved but will absolutely react when slurs thrown my way.

I'm sorry no one seems to agree with you, rejection can be difficult, perhaps you might find someone to come out and play elsewhere 😏

Well said as always , I was responding as you were posting 😏

So you're living off the state pension then? Not trying to be harsh but maybe spare a thought for us workers that will have to pickup the tab and pay for all this crap.

It one thing viewing this through rose tinted glasses and how the world should be, its another view for us with kids struggling day to day, month to month and this is taking away resources for us raising those children(school/uni places, accommodation for same) and paying taxes for all this(including our children paying same).

Everyone is fine supporting these people but not when it far exceeds resources available and Ukranians which come here being better off(and having better lives) than workers in our own country which have been contributing tax for better social standards for our working lives.

Tuition for international students is around $4k pa for medicine in Ukraine. Accommodation and other expenses extra. International student is a money making exercise for any uni in any country so it's not like Irish students being able to study there was a favour from Ukraine - it's the other way around as they bring serious money into university's budget. Also being Irish, when they return to Ireland, I actually doubt these Irish students would get anything from the State as they wouldn't be classed as refugees seeking temporary protection - they are just Irish students that returned home to their parents. Do Irish students (unless mature on BTEA) get any social welfare benefits in Ireland? I don't think so. To get anything, if no longer studying and now looking for work, their parents income would be taken into account and payment would be means tested if they were to apply for Unemployment Assistance.

At the same some Ukrainians that land here, majority live in provided accommodation and get 3 meals daily. No bills, nothing. Why do they need to be given the full rate of SWA of around 900pm? To buy what exactly? Those that got their own place and looking for work, I agree - they need the full benefits to keep going. The rest - I don't think so.