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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,046 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    “I don’t agree with you so you’re racist” yawn 🥱



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,197 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Nor do I, utterly tiresome nonsense from those who look at a few posts and assume we're all racist for daring to ask ligitimate questions and call out this virtue signalling nonsense.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


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    Infighting between flag wavers is a great watch. Pure sexism too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,046 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    They are precisely why we are in this Accomodation disaster. Immature idiots- the educational system is to blame - too many of these dumbasses going around with Social/airy fairy degrees involved in key decision making. Helen Mcentee a primate example of this relentless dumbing down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,197 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    These one off posts of incoherent gibberish fascinate me, just glib comments about racism and nothing else to say or contribute.

    I'd expect more in the coming days,, possibly as a result of to much sun and dehydration 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,484 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    you obviously need to educate yourself as to what racism actually is.

    neighbours ? Kiev is about 3200 kilometres away… so neighbours ! You can call around for a cuppa so,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,197 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    There's lots of "Questionable" EU neighbours 😏

    But off course the poster at least observed the fact, Ukraine is not in the EU and likely never will be, no amount of grandstanding, Sanctimonious solidarity by EU leaders or virtue signalling will change that.

    When the Ukrainian books are open to the EU and after Shock, possibly a few heart attacks, full analysis and the Bills start coming in, they'll run like the clappers, watch this space 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 catmandont


    Reality clearly running rampant in this country - appealing to see.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We can help them by giving them a safe place to be that isn’t under threat of shelling or rocket attacks. It doesn’t mean that we have to give them the most generous benefits out there. PPS numbers, their own front door and full benefits. Its meant to be temporary. When he rockets stop flying they can go back home. But are encouraging them to stay for good at huge expense, financial and social



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 catmandont


    Unless you are giving people from every corner of earth free homes for life, free education, free money, free vouchers, free transport, free passports, free everything, all at your expense,

    *Deep inhalation*

    You're a racist!

    Take that, reality, right in the kisser!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    We (eu tax payers) are already footing the bill for Ukrianie. We pay for Missiles, we pay for keeping Zelinski in power, we pay for the immigrants.

    Of course Uncle sam is helping out but we are already footing the bill for this mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    It will be far cheaper in the long run than dealing with an expanding and belligerent neighbour to the East.

    Granted, we appear to have a few Comrade Clares and Moscow Micks on the thread, but I have no desire to see that particular empire on a roll again.

    Send over as much as we can and let the Ukrainians do the work of taming the bear for us



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Ukrainians are the same "race", so that's a dead end. Maybe you meant xenophobia? Though it has been interesting watching the usual bleeding heart people getting awfully confused when the same valid questions about migration are being asked about White people.

    Our history? What does that mean in your mind? Our diaspora across the world? OK. Slight problem with that; the vast majority went to ex European colonies founded(and built on the blood and bones of native peoples) and sustained for a long time by inward migration and they weren't getting nearly three times their wages of back home, free medical care and housing the moment they walked off Ellis island. Indeed they were checked for diseases and other things before they were even let in and they paid what would have been substantial ticket prices to get there in the first place. So yeah it seems memories and knowledge are short alright.

    And lord knows where "arrogance" comes into it. But yeah run with the rampant racism tag. It's simple and easy and too often it's been used as a way to stop all valid questions and dialogue, but mostly because it sounds like The Right Thing To Say, with bugger all thought behind it.

    And I have no problem with helping Ukraine and Ukrainians, but it's not by automatically giving them the highest pay outs in the world and by quite the margin(Germany the wealthiest nation in the EU is giving them under a third of what we are and they have to go through many steps to get it). It's also not by saying no cap! when our country is already "full up", our health service under incredible stress, nearly a million Irish people on waiting lists and the worst housing crisis in the history of the effin' state. While we're being run by a bunch of morons in "government" that had no plan beyond looking for best girl in the class kudos and who still have no bloody plan and are doubling down on the lack of one.

    This crap wil not be temporary. Why the hell would anyone go back to Ukraine now? Even if there were no war, Ireland with her magic money tree would be the land of milk and honey compared to pre war Ukraine. I know it's all hearts and minds and Slave Ukraine now and for good and obvious reasons, but too many have forgotten - or were simply just ignorant of the country and couldn't place it on a map before the war hit twitter - that it was/is an economic backwater and a horribly corrupt country, second only to Russia in those stakes.

    If that's still racist in people's heads then I really don't know what to say to that.

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    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,197 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Fair point, I'm more thinking about when this S**tshow over 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    That war is not stopping anytime soon. The only resolution is if Ukraine gives up the east/donbass region to Russian occupation.

    In that instance, these refugees will still have no home to go back to and the financial implications Ukraine have and will continue to suffer from will not enable them to re-house the refugees currently here.

    Its a terrible situation and there is no one in this thread who can even comprehend what these people are going through. We need to work with our EU counterparts to insure their safety.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    it is very very difficult to believe that every Ukrainian refugee has had their home blown up or is from the Donbas. They need to go back home, and the mechanism to facilitate that is to provide them safety, but not a front door and full benefits.

    it seems like the word is getting out that Ireland is full and new arrivals are likely to be in tents. Should hopefully slow the flow.

    and I actually think the war will be over later this year, at which time those who have come here from all the rest of Ukraine have no reason to be here any more. They’ll be plenty of work there for sure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    Is it about time now that we put a cap on the amount of Ukraine refugees allowed into the county.

    We cant even cope with our own housing crisis shortage, homelessness is at an all time high, the amount of tents in and around the city centre environs is unreal, rents are at an all time high, Ive two work colleagues in their mid 40's who have been told by their Dublin landlords that they have to move out in 3 months times as they are selling up. One of them has to move to Cavan ffs and will have to commute to Dublin.

    Hotels are full and the new builds have been bought up by the govt, dont get me started on the DP system which is clearly a state failure.

    Our health systems is already crumbling and de funct, waiting lists are at an all time high and trying to get registered to a GP is virtually impossible.

    Is it time now to tell the EU that enough is enough , we just dont have the space, period !!! Letting 160 people stay in an airport terminal and then ship them out to the citywest tent village is not the answer.

    Dont get me wrong I feel sorry for the genuine Ukranian people fleeing a war situation, Ive donated to the I.R.C. and donated to the art of coffee on Clarendon street.

    An irate Dublin taxi driver was very angry about it when he picked me up from T2 yesterday when I flew back from holidays. He said it was on Newstalk or Sunshine radio that the Ukrainian refugees are getting €80 per week by the Govt, the DP folk only get €18 and they are not allowed to work cant work either. or are on all life courses courtesy of the Irish tax payer.

    Something is wrong here. Ireland is a de facto modern day Nanny state and our 1916 fallen would turn in their graves if they saw the 2022 modern model of Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 703 ✭✭✭US3


    I'd have no problem sleeping in a tent if I could get 4 times my weekly wage for doing nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,484 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    What is the end ? To have the area back in Russian control for sure… AND destabilise the EU countries, socially, economically by a massive movement of people without resources. Needing homes, healthcare and other supports which cost hundreds of thousands per family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,046 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I’d have gladly lived in one in Dublin when in college- these are decent military grade nit crap cheap ones. Would have saved me a fortune. Plus free dole thrown in. Im Irish though so dream on. All handouts like this are for foreigners



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Those people have to live here. Anything they buy will cost multiples of what it cost them back home.

    Sure at the start there were a few Irish students who were evacuated from there. They were going over there and getting accommodated and full tuition in proper universities for a couple of grand per year. Cost of living over there is much less. That isn't much good to them when they are living here.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What expenses to they have here that could possibly require the level of benefits they are getting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,731 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    These are refugees right? With full accommodation, meals and health care provided for them, not to mention the other freebies (transport, supermarket vouchers etc) they're being provided with.

    What exactly do they need to buy? Luxury goods? Alcohol? Not exactly essentials really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Same expenses that you have when you are on the dole



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rent? Running a car?

    many are even getting fed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You are conflating Ukrainian refugees with asylum seekers in direct provision. The former, as I understand it, are getting access to dole and permission to work if they can find it. The latter get something like 19 Euro a week and get all provided to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Most of us can see that the present open door policy is unsustainable. It is so unfair on those who work hard to pay for this largesse. I wouldn't mind if those on the Council waiting lists were prioritised as citizens, but it doesn't seem to work that way. I am so disappointed that not ONE member of the Government or the Dail has pointed this out. They really must take us for idiots, but I suppose we are.

    Plenty of marches around Covid restrictions etc., but not one to highlight this madness. I know you can say, well go on then, start a march, no I won't because I don't know where to start, but I would join one for sure, for the first time in my life I would walk with any kind of "rent a crowd" who will challenge the injustice of it all.

    As many others have said, we are full up to the gills, and the country that I love is turning into a cesspit of neglect. But there is always money for that which will raise the profile of those policy makers who are licking the arses of the Brussels crowd.

    I am also horrified that I feel this way. I am normally a happy go lucky person, very happy with my lot, happy to pay my taxes to fund infrastructure and those less fortunate than myself, but I am not happy to see my hard earned cash going down a black hole, to the detriment of our own citizens. There I have said it, and I am sure I am not alone in saying that.

    And AFAIS not one mention of this in today's media anywhere, spoken or written. What a disappointment that we have no one to speak for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,046 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    If food, accommodation, transport all are paid for. What exactly else is there?

    It is truely idiotic and wasteful that people in receipt of the above (bearing in mind they’ve paid NO stamps here, ever) are “entitled” to full welfare payments in addition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Free buggies left at bus stops?


    What eejit who opened their private house to a Ukrainian is feeding them for free when the Ukrainian is getting all this lovely social welfare?



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  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Indeed. And if indeed Donald Trump thinks they need all that in order to access the private rental market etc, then that doesn’t sound very ‘temporary’ to me



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