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Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    Who said people were unhappy? Can you not look for a wage increase?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    The same solution that should be given for every other worker in either sector who are not applying for jobs in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭Shuffl_in


    Inflation now at 9.1%. The government coffers booming but still no fair pay deal. Not even in discussions. Surely the unions will have to do something at some stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    As I said the penny has dropped the government telling everyone else that inflation is transitory and due to the war and covid and supply chain issues as an excuse not to alleviate taxes on the average person in order for them to get through the cost of living crisis instead a few one off measures are being mentioned so how would this look when at the same time giving themselves and the rest of the public sector pay rises and using the excuse of inflation to justify it. Its like inflation is here to stay for those working in the public sector but transitory for everyone else. If they try this FF/FG are going to get decimated in the next G.E



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭Shuffl_in


    Sorry fliball if that's a response to me. I have you on ignore so I can see that you posted but can't see the content. I have no interest in your 10+ year long obsessive bitterness to everything public sector, nor the time to entertain you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭exitstageleft


    I don't think the government have been saying inflation is transitory for quite a while now (although it was always unlikely to be).

    Wages are going up in the private sector. Even low salaries in hospitality are now paying 2 to 5 euro per hour more. With employment low, and workforce shortages, this is the only way they can get workers. It's also driving up prices.

    The public sector, dealing with the same staffing issues, raises their salary through governmetal agreement. That there needs to be an increase is acknowledged and accepted. The only sticking point is the percentage increase.

    The increase will come; it's just a matter of when.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,372 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Exactly the reality of it. However you will still find the same anti Public Sector wage increase rabble spouting the same rubbish they have been spouting for years on Boards and other forums. They’re the DUP of Boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Low paid salaries are not increasing at all. You are incorrect there.

    Also public sector are already 30% better paid than the private sector.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Get Real


    For the same reasons people stay in the private sector if they are a) unhappy and B) will be better paid in the public sector.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭JoeSexton


    Who do you expect to read that gibberish? Please go away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Yes they have its been said over and again when anyone from the government party is asked about how they will deal with the cost of living crisis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭exitstageleft


    I disagree Tonesjones. Wages, certainly in hospitality, are increasing but this is only evident in like for like comparisons. If an experienced waiter left the sector, and they are replaced by a new entrant to hospitality (a frequent occurrence post-pandemic), the figures show a decline in wages. However, new entrants now are on significantly higher hourly rates than previously. Likewise, experienced staff are paid more now.

    A similar discrepancy arises when people fail to take into account the rise in preference for part-time employment versus full time roles.

    Your assertion that the public sector is paid 30% more than the private sector also fails to compare like with like. Without some qualification it is just not true.

    At the same time, I do believe the public sector is well paid. I don't think they should be given a raise to push their salaries higher anyone else, but that everyone should get inflation-related raises to keep parity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    What part of it is Gibberish I dare you to pick through it and tell me what part is not true. Typical head in the sand and I'm alright jack approach who cares about anyone else and then just attack the poster and not the post.



  • Posts: 11,195 [Deleted User]


    probably the part of is that is scattershot pseudofact nonsense that has either been debunked or rightly ignored for several dozen pages now.


    also the lack of any type of punctuation or spacing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭fliball123


    All the facts are verifiable if you look them up. Also no capital letter to start either of you're sentence . People in glass houses :) hopefully your not an English teacher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,473 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    "hopefully your not an English teacher"

    If you're going to have a go at someone else's grammar...

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭HartsHat


    At this stage I'd take whatever the Govt is offering just to close this carcrash of a thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Looked up one of the "facts". You're overstating the government debt by €10bn. Plenty of money to spread around the public sector ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,473 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Another letter in today's IT:

    Sir, – While it is difficult for many younger people to afford to buy or rent in Dublin in particular, this is nothing new to those of us who lived abroad in past decades. In London for many years, public sector workers, such as nurses, teachers or police, all had a salary weighting as a means to addressing the additional cost of living there, but also as a way of retaining staff. It is unfortunate that our public sector unions have not effectively advocated for this option. – Yours, etc,


    Someone else who doesn't appear to be aware that the majority of teachers, gardai, civil servants, etc. don't work in Dublin and the majority of union members would vehemently oppose such a thing out of pure jealousy.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭exitstageleft


    Well now...


    Public service union negotiators recommend ‘coordinated campaign’ including industrial action ballots


    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/07/15/public-service-union-negotiators-recommend-coordinated-campaign-including-industrial-action-ballots/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭Shuffl_in


    What choice do they have? This Government have been ignoring them and us. As the article says the review clause was invoked when inflation was 5.6 per cent, Government responded in May, when inflation had reached 7% but it is now at 9.1 percent! They're not the shrewdest lot this government.

    Hopefully it kicks them into gear.

    Post edited by Shuffl_in on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    3.5% this year and again next year should secure a deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    It's not just the adjusted inflation - electricity bill has basically doubled since last year, even the price of milk is 50% more expensive than last year, the real cost of living is not a 9% increase, the government in their infinite wisdom decided to continue to introduce the MUP so you can't even afford a few cans at the weekend

    It's all very well for people on very generous wages to dictate the wages of the poor

    But I don't want to go on strike - really does no one any good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭exitstageleft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    I would rather a work to rule than strike action,, but if it's a strike we have then so be it.



  • Posts: 8,532 [Deleted User]


    A lot of public sector workers think the sector will cease to exist without them if they leave. Thats not the case though. Plenty more people to take the job.

    Forsa can stick any strike action up their bollicks. I wont be on a picket. Absolute nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Ah yes the "I'm a public sector worker who doesn't want strikes so ye can all stick it up yizzer bollocks" post.

    I haven't seen one of them in a while.



  • Posts: 11,195 [Deleted User]


    i mean look, a lot of anyone anywhere have inflated ideas of their worth. any sector.

    what that has to do with *collective* decisions to strike, I'm not sure.

    because what is 100% certain is that as a *collective*, the sector does not exist without us.

    and in the event of an employer stonewalling pay talks they agreed to, then the idea that a collective response should be off the table is a strange one.

    now: do i have issues with the unions? yep. do i think they support lower paid workers in the event of strike action enough? nope. but should they have strike action in their toolkit?


    yes, quite obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭Shuffl_in


    It's a long time since the review clause was invoked - 11th March. The government made one offer which was never going to be accepted, promised another but fell silent. Now they're off on their holidays for a few months. There's only so long the government can ignore us before the Unions have to recommend ballots. The government can pull their finger out at any time and resolve this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    I'll implement my own package of "reforms" at work if the government does not provide a rise which matches inflation. Inflation will apply to FF/FG and not just the little people.



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