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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,732 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Likely because nobody - including most of the "experts" - really cared.

    We've far more pressing, real and immediate things to be worried about at the moment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,067 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Is this supposed to be some kind of compelling argument as to why we should have an open door policy to every criminal around the planet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭fran38


    So it's all fine and dandy so coz there's Irish criminals abroad? And the provo's don't sell their services to governments but to other criminals.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you know where Ukraine is on the corruption index?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,732 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    No point guys.. No argument beyond "de feelz" and spending other people's money.

    If you disagree you're selfish, a racist, xenophobic, a hypocrite (because because the Irish went everywhere in the 19th and 20th century) etc

    Someone said above about the virtuous rushing to open up their homes - not quite, they want you to open up YOUR home!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,347 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    So now we can see a bit clearer this whole 10,000 homeless and for what it is.


    The end goal is to have enough houses for everyone so to have no homeless.


    And not one party speaks out against this madness.


    A right to housing is all they can peddle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭hunter2000


    This thread is gone jumpy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭fran38


    Exactly this. We've all seen posts on here and on other social media platforms describing politicians as 'idiots', ' brainless' 'wasters' etc etc. But of course the reality is a whole lot different. Politicians including our homegrown variety are extremely smart creatures. They all know exactly what the public mood is and why it's like that. They are users of social media too so they are not bubble wrapped from reality.

    What I will say however is that one could describe politicians as sociopaths or narcissistic with an exaggerated sense of self-importance, excessive need for admiration and with a general lack of empathy for what's really affecting people.



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You do understand this is a discussion forum yes? Having an opposing view in a discussion ≠ trolling



  • Posts: 6,581 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is definitely an element of a holiday to this.

    Came across a girl on IG who was in a local bar, just clicked into the post the pub shared and noticed she was Ukrainian.

    Stories go from Ukraine to travelling around Ireland, looks more like someone inter-railing for the summer than fleeing a war.

    Galway.. Dublin.. Cliffs of Moher and then posts in June sandwiched inbetween from good old Amsterdam, so likely travelling out of the country on the tax payers dime.

    "Nobody expected this - the increase of people coming into the country over recent days"

    Had to laugh reading that line in the article above... Maybe these Civil Servants or Politicians on over 100k a year didn't see it but any person with half a brain can see exactly what way this was going.. as it's been going on for years.

    You think when Bob isn't deported, he doesn't tell his buddy Brian back in Africa not to come as well... They must think it's the 1900s with limited communication.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are refugees fleeing a war zone where thousands have been killed and millions displaced know that not allowed to go to tourist sites?

    What is acceptable behaviour?



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The virtue signaling "my house is open to you come over" will never admit they contributed to this mess.

    Except that a large number of people did contribute their houses to Ukrainian refugees.. so it was hardly all virtue signalling. I think we need to recognise that many Irish people were selfless.. and that's something to be admired.

    We live in a very cynical world (I've become extremely cynical myself over the last decade), and TBH it warmed my heart to see so many Irish people willing to help out.

    These people didn't contribute to this mess. This mess has come entirely from our government, the politicians in general, the civil service and the EU, in not preparing properly and implementing short-term ineffective measures that ultimately cost more because of their ineptitude.

    It was all just a way of getting the Irish to accept unlimited immigration.

    Unlimited. A pity it just turned out to be less than 50k then.. must have been a shock to whoever pushed this agenda that they didn't snag a 100k from the conflict.

    The Irish didn't and haven't accepted unlimited immigration. They've accepted the provision of aid to Ukrainian refugees for a year or more.. but in reality, once the costs come into effect, there will be little support to have them remain after some time has passed.

    When it unravels, dont ever let them forget they helped cause this.

    I'd prefer you stuck it to our government/politicians that these people... after all, these people have no real effect on future policy.

    Also.. here's a shocker.. you helped to cause this, because you didn't oppose it. Just as I did.. or the hundreds of posters on this thread. Where are the marches organised to protest over the expenditure or incompetent responses? Stop looking for a scapegoat. We're all responsible for this mess.. although our glorious political elite, by the standard of their positions, are most guilty.



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well it seems the shite is well and truly hitting the fan now. When you pursue a policy that just isn’t plausible given the state of accommodation availability it could only go one way, up, in the direction tits.

    And all this at just 40k…when there’s no cap and promising 100k to 200k could be looked after. It’ll be no time until the student accommodation fiasco rears it’s ugly head to further exacerbate the crisis. What a bunch of dopey tits, zero planning, just fairytales.

    It’s official, no more room left at the Inn. A snippet of below article

    “GORMANSTOWN Army Camp is being prepared as an emergency base for Ukrainian refugees as space at all other accommodation facilities has run out, Independent.ie understands.

    The Government had indicated that the camp, where Defence Forces personnel have erected large tents, would only be used as a last resort.

    However, it appears Ireland has now run out of hotel and other facilities for people fleeing the war.

    Sources confirmed Gormanstown in Co Meath “is coming into play”.

    The Government on Wednesday evening warned of a "severe shortage" of state accommodation for arriving Ukrainian refugees.

    Amid worsening overcrowding at the transit centre at the Citywest hotel complex in Dublin, new arrivals who do not have alternative accommodation already arranged are being asked to remain at Dublin Airport overnight and into Thursday.

    Ireland has taken in more than 40,000 refugees fleeing the war in Ukraine - the majority of them women and children – including nearly 1,500 last week.”




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Will there be some mandatory use of vacant properties that people said would never ever ever happen. 🤔



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Maybe they’ll just finally have to tighten access as the rte article states Poland and Sweden have tightened their rules this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,819 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    If it was €3 billion, I would rather it was spent on people who were actually fleeing war than window shopping economic migrants from Iran, Iraq and India.

    Which is the case, so I am happy. Welcome into Ireland, Ukrainians.😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,337 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I don't think it's glass houses that we need worry about, but the house of cards that's about to come crashing down.

    I'm normally one for having a little sympathy for Government when it finds itself in a crisis, but this is one entirely of its own making. Government has allowed itself to have and continues to be led by a coterie of self serving NGO's who now effectively set almost all social policy. Add in the fear of being branded as not generous enough by some cosseted duffer in the Irish Times and you get to where we are tonight. Whatever about other policy failures, it completely owns this as it was forecast to happen months ago. It's an abject failure to plan and to face down our bleeding hearts with the hard reality of the limits of our capacity.

    Maybe minister McEntee will reconsider her offer of a room now...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    There's about 5 'safe' countries as the crow flies from Ukraine to Ireland, would it not be better to put cash towards accomodation in these places with lots of space for €50 a night rather than bring them here with no space at a potential €200 a night and in the same process destroy our tourist industry?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Means Of Escape


    Not capping numbers makes it impossible to accurately construct a comprehensive action plan.

    Failing to have all immigrants screened for correct documentation where possible beggars belief .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Morning all.

    Things hotting up. Just a few headlines , some already shared , sentiment and narrative definitely changing .

    When , one wonders is enough, enough .

    WAKE UP CALL MEANING.

    "A thing that alerts people to an unsatisfactory situation and prompts them to remedy it"

    "Maybe this will be a wake-up call for society to change"



    The independent suspiciously quite but of course they cheerlead with their regular fluff virtue signalling articles over the past few months.

    Twitter also lighting up.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Government at lowest rating since 1994. 60% of people not happy with the direction the country is going in.... (Interview on Newstalk right now). Shane Coleman laughing off the idea this is about housing and the massive influx of immigrants, he's saying its own to cost of living ! 46K immigrants have now come to Ireland!

    MM and Leo V both down 11% and 12% respectively. Chickens coming home to roost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Can't they stay with their friends who lobbied for them to come?



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    House of cards crashing down pretty quickly now. The level of idiocy of not capping numbers from the outset is just staggering



  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Labour party spokesperson on housing Rebecca Moynihan now saying Government Departments have not been pulling their weight..... to need to re-commission old Garda stations, old health centres, old council houses..... and build thousands of modular homes on state lands asap. This is insane. She's not talking about saying we are full , crammed, cannot afford this, she's not asking why Ukrainians are still coming in their thousands despite travelling across many EU countries to get here, despite Kiev and most of their country operating as normal??? Insanity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Rebecca Moynihan should spend her time asking how we even got here but of course to cowardly to speak truth , seriously she actually looking to make an already appalling debacle worse by asking for disused properties to be repurposed 😳

    Is it any wonder few take this party seriously.

    Rebecca Moynihan could instead use a very simple word .

    STOP

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Meanwhile over in Lativa..

    They are literally running out of Money .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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