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Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I reckon if Jim Gavin was still manager then Dublin would've beaten Kerry. The final will be interesting anyway. Unlike their misfortunate neighbours in Mayo, Galway normally do make it count once they get to a final. 1998 2001 and they should've beaten Kerry in 2000 as well.

    People go an about Kerry and Dublins history and tradition, but Galway have a decent enough tradition themselves. I don't see this final being a cakewalk for Kerry at all. Galway will be underdogs alright, but they were underdogs in 1998 and 2001 as well, and they were still victorious on the day.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    One day, that Dublin 5 in a row team, will be appreciated.

    The covid all Ireland was a bit of a farce. I thought Kerry were last years and this years best Panel. They blew last year. They nearly blew this year.

    Galway should have no fears . If anyone looks back to Galway history in Finals, even their losses' were close run things!

    Mayo 2012/2018, would hammer any of the last two years A.I. participants out the gate. No luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭gigantic09



    I'm not sure many will agree about that last part there, especially us mayo people .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    It's only 10 days to the football all ireland. It's been a seriously intense period of inter county action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Galway have plenty of tradition and always look comfortable when they get to finals. There is a historical belief there that they can win All Irelands.

    The club scene in Galway is every bit as strong and arguably stronger than Kerry and Galway always produce top class forwards.

    This final is going to be 50/50. I think Kerry supporters are elated that they have finally beaten Dublin and there is no Ulster bogeymen coming down the line but the wouldn't want to be too complacent about the Galway juggernaut coming down the road.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭dobman88




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭dobman88


    He's from Tyrone, he managed Down before which confuses a lot of people. Galbally Pearses is the club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭TITANIUM.


    A bit of a stretch to call it a galway juggernaut isn't it.

    In any case, kerry have been caught with their pants down twice in the last 2 years so complacency should be well dealt with by now.

    Anyway we'll get to see how good this Galway team really is, against a top tier team. If there is an all ireland in them! I think it's a year or two early and that is if they continue to improve. Have they sorted there vulnerability under the high ball that Armagh exposed? If not they could ship allot of goals....

    They have a potent attack to be sure, but there defence will need to stand on its own 2feet without the aid of a massive blanket if they want to beat the top teams.

    Joyce's approach to this match will be interesting, how good does he think they are? Will he go out to outscore kerry in a shoot out? Or a similar game plan to the Derry game. I think in a Straight up game of football they are shaky enough in the fullback line and could be punished badly. He'll probably go back to the blanket and try to stiffle kerry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Treble double


    I think Galway will mirror Kerry who are very defensive themselves. Kerry play with a Morley as a sweeper in front of the full backline, they keep 3 forwards up and everyone else work like dogs. I think Galway will do the same they will probably have someone sitting in front of Clifford to help out his marker. They will have Comer as an out and out attacker supported by, Walsh and Finnerty and there half forward line will help out defensively. I think Galway have a stronger midfield and I also think they have the footballers to match Kerrys kicking game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭TITANIUM.


    Some interesting points there alright.

    Kerry in effect play a 3 man midfield with one Of the named wing forwards(Normally COC) dropping in. They normally edge that area as a result. Playing a sweeper isn't straightforward. We were trying it for years before we got it right. You could argue Morley isn't even a sweeper. Just a full back that doesn't follow his man out the field. Allowing him to mark spaces instead of men.

    Traditionally Galway played a kicking game similar to ourselves so they should be no strangers to it. Probably brought up playing that way. If they back themselves and come out to play Traditional, it could make a cracker. 2 kicking teams going at each other would be great. It could be also end up being th opposite with defensive systems and lateral passing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Treble double


    As a neutral I'm hoping and half excited that there will be a lot of kicking. It's embedded in Kerrys game and Galway are well capable of it too. Galway have set up according to the opposition so far but its always based on their half forwards playing as extra half backs effectively. If they take anything from watching the Dublin game it is that the dubs got joy when they were daring and tried to hit runners (paddy small) with long direct ball. If they go at this it could be a joy to watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Who is COC meant to refer to on the Kerry team? I've seen the initials mentioned several times since Sunday on here and elsewhere but unless I'm missing something really obvious, I don't see anyone with those initials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,398 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    I'd imagine it's a typo for DOC, Diarmuid O'Connor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭TITANIUM.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Thanks. I assumed the same but thought I was missing something obvious when I kept seeing COC in different places. Glad to know I'm not going mental just yet. Ty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Mayo 2912-2018 would find a way to lose even if playing present teams. Losers are losers.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭dobman88




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    Sure would. Con O, and Clifford, flanking Killiane (spillane), and Seanie supporting.

    COCKS

    Sorry, it was funny in my head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Sean Purcell, Frankie Stockwell, the three in a row team from the 60's, and players like Padraig Joyce, Derek Savage and Michael Donnellan from the 1998 and 2001 teams. Galway have a wonderful tradition of producing great players, and playing nice and clean football. Even the Galway team, that lost three all Ireland finals in four years back in the 70's, had some fine players in Johnny Hughes, Jack Cosgrove, Tommy Joe Gilmore, Michael Rooney and Jimmy Duggan. It's always good for gaelic football when Galway are up and about and doing well.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Mayo 2012 to 2018 outside of Dublin Kerry there was also defeats to Donegal, Galway x3 Kildare and a draw with Roscommon. Plus Mayo were less than convincing in wins against the likes Sligo (2012)Derry (2017) , Cork (2017)

    Of this years AI participants especially Kerry are better than all of those aforementioned teams so a bit of flawed logic thinking that Mayo would have hammered them.


    P. S Kerry won a close competitive contest on Sunday it was no more nearly blown than what Dublin did in a number of their games against Mayo, Kerry while winning 6 in a row.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 beepbop248


    Still looking for a ticket if anyone has got extra or know who does, appreciate it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Ah here, will you just take your beating and move on? Game is over. Better team won. Comerford acted the maggot a bit too much, oshea didnt deserve a red. The guy has a point re some dublin fans being hypocritical. Done.

    Im not a big believer in the tradition stuff. Tradition wont beat a better team for you and the teams of 20 years ago will have the same bearing on the occasion as a team from 70 years ago - none.

    On paper kerry look to have too much attacking power for galways defensive system to stifle. For them to get a result they need a few kerry forwards to misfire and maybe a bit of luck somewhere too. Those things are possible with this kerry team, but their final experience will probably tell in the end.

    It is great to see 4 completely different teams contest the final over 2 seasons. There is a freshness about the thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Yes it's good. Even though you expect Kerry and Dublin to make the semi's each year, Dublin have come back towards the pack a little and even though they're the best teams, they're not unbeatable so it's great to see more teams up their level.

    Would be great to have Galway, Mayo, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal, Derry as real possibilities to win the whole thing as it's definitely a possibility. Bonus would be the likes of Cork, Kildare and Meath also up their level to challenge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,310 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Galway, Kildare would have to go up two notches get solid backs and a tactical structure that means their flair forwards can flourish. Then there is always the question on Kildare when was the last time in championship when outside Leinster they actually beat a team they were not supposed to? Through tactical nous and getting tactics spot on etc

    Cork lack of a strong bench hinders them. They play well to a point then run out of steam.

    As for Meath they are not in an asses roar of been contenders. In the last five years or so Meath have consistently lost to teams they should be beating handy, Westmeath, Longford, Clare etc.

    It could be a few generations 20 years before Meath get their act together. So it is really fairy tale stuff to say it would be nice if Meath could be contenders.

    They have to get back to beating teams like Clare when it matters.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,310 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    You obviously didn’t read my post properly if you are telling me to take my beating. And accept the better team won.

    In the post you referenced I clearly said - not only did I predict it, but because I did I found it easier to accept. See below-

    ‘‘Personally I expected Dublin to lose. For various reasons, which were unfortunately proved correct. So it is easier for me to accept- better team won etc.’

    The full post was in a reply to a poster implying all Dublin people (supporters/former players) are whinging.

    I referenced Ciaran Whelan saying O’Shea entitled to go for ball. Kevin McStay saying opposite, which did not fit into the posters narrative.

    And I also referenced his gamesmanship gripe. And referenced what McConville said after the game ‘smarts’ and what Rock said in 2017. He shrugged off the GPS incident- trying to put fellas off is part of the game etc.

    Now admittedly it was a long post - because I wanted to be clear.

    But in future if you want to go on an ‘Ah here’ post/rant - make sure you read the post in full or else you will look silly.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,966 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    There's lots of hypocrites from every county. I agree O'Shea didn't deserve a red for that but should have been black carded for a rugby tackle shortly after that.

    Tradition tells us that if you beat your biggest rival in a semi-final that you underperform in the final. Tradition tells us that Kerry win an All-Ireland in every decade since 1900. Tradition tells us that Galway win in consecutive decades and then miss out in consecutive decades.

    So Galway are unlikely to win until the 2030's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭spurshero


    You have been knocking galway in a lot of your posts …. There in an all Ireland final next week and there on merit ….Derry we’re the bees knees with everybody up till last Saturday but now there no good ! I remember Dublin beating Donegal 8 points to 6 in a terrible semi final and it didn’t do them much harm ….of course Kerry are hot favs but all the pressure is on them … they won the all Ireland last Sunday in all but name according to a lot of people … sport can come back to bite ya .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,310 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Sport can come back to bite ya fair point. But I have seen enough of both sides to know that would need a lot to go wrong for Kerry. And a lot to go right for Galway. To cause a shock.

    Now in fairness Joyce was smart and did a real number on Derry. Derry were not expecting that game plan and had no plan B. But I can’t forget those three goals Galway conceded v Armagh. Each one similar. Given the quality of the Kerry attack I can’t see Galway keeping Kerry quiet.

    I would love to be proved wrong and Galway beat Kerry, to be honest. Might even wear a Galway jersey if I end up going!

    But I can’t see Galway winning. Kerry are a different animal to even Kerry 2019 now. More tactically astute. Calmer, better defensively. Battled hardened with recent humbling defeats by teams they should have beaten on paper. Kerry won’t be taking Galway lightly as a consequence.

    Another factor is Kerry’s most recent AI final was 2019. Whereas Galway’s was a few generations ago. So it will be a new pressure for the Galway lads. More of the Kerry lads know what to expect in that sense.

    So if Galway do win, it will be one of the biggest shocks in the recent history of the GAA. It is 20 years since a div2 side won an all Ireland. When Armagh beat…. Kerry….

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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