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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Yeah, Probably should have said in a EU situation. Rather than Generally everywhere. In a Situation say your in Japan and you hear an EU accent you would tend to gravitate to that person as you have European in common.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wouldn’t at all. Have no more affinity to a French person than an American or Austrian (in fact less). I would not recognise Europe as something I have in common. It’s an abstract logistical construct



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    I'm inclined to agree.....not once in my life have I come across a person who defines themselves as 'European', and more pointedly, I've never even considered the question on a conscious level personally.

    Means absolutely nothing to me. Nothing at all.

    Sounds like something that plays well at a political level and has absolutely no relevance to the great unwashed.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,330 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    They may go on about the Yankee pigdogs, but Russia hates the EU with a vengence even more. It's on their doorstep, a trading bloc that makes their nation look like the run down cornershop with the boss pocketing the profits that it is, even though it's the biggest nation on earth and with huge resources. The EU is a mirror they can't stand to look at and one they'd love to dash to the ground.

    Oh don't get me wrong K; I have some serious issues with workings of the EU, but I also see it as far more of a positive than a negative. Do I consider myself a European? Well beyond the human nature parochial bent inherent in us all, yes. Certainly far more than I consider myself an African, or Asian, or "citizen of the world" or whatever. The underlying cultural ties of Europe go extremely deep. We speak a Germanic language peppered with French, Italian etc, our once native language a strong echo of even earlier pan European tongues, our laws are heavily based on Roman Italian laws, our "Georgian" buildings are of Palladian architecture, an Italian movement(and before that they were Dutch). The GPO, a touchstone of our nation's bullet ridden birth would be instantly recognisable to a Greek or Roman, our once religion born of a fringe middle Eastern faith bent to the classical world. Our arts, philosophy and politics ditto. And when that world faded, this little island in the arse end of nowhere caught that spark, blew it into a flame and brought it back to the European mind and culture. And the men(and a couple of women) who did that very much saw themselves as belonging to a wider entity.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Moragle


    I saw an absolute cracker on the help Ukrainians in Ireland page a family looking for 3 free nights in Dublin on their way to Canada cus it's their dream to visit Ireland



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm on 2 Ukrainians in Ireland groups and didn't see that, possibly been nuked by the admins, I know they've been busy lately with trolls



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Yes they are Trolls but it also could be actually True. 3 free nights seems very Troll indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    odd article.

    “If the numbers keep growing we will not be able to deliver the level of services. We are arriving at the limit. That is the view from around the table. We all want to do our best. But we have very significant numbers now in Kerry and it is a challenge,” Mr Spillane said.

    Admitting were full yet asking for more money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Moragle


    If I knew how to post links I'd put them up. I doubt they're trolls, they only admitted why they wanted a 3 night stay when asked. There's no getting through to you anyway you seem to keep clinging to the magical money tree. And if that's your circumstances fair play to you. But for the rest of us struggling to heat our homes, run our cars, feed ourselves etc it's hard to watch a cohort of people being prioritised by our government over the ones whose taxes are paying for it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whereas I would. Oh, don't get me wrong. I tend to live in countries where White people/westerners are a minority, and I also tend to avoid the western expats who live there. Not my scene. However, if I wanted that kind of connection, some help, or whatever, I would head towards an European, because we do share some common ground culturally, and besides, I have some personal experience of living (short-term) in both Germany and France when I was a teen.

    I'd feel less affinity to an American though. When I was younger I might have thought our cultures similar, but experience has taught me to see Americans differently than that.

    Being European provides a basis for connections with other Europeans. Just as being White does when you're living in a city of 9 million Chinese. You might not think it's useful/important, but it is when you're a distinct minority.. and many others will feel the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


    Relax there Brah, spoken like a true alphabet mafioso and it's not just the 50+ age group that's pissed off with the carry on in this country. Now back to twitters ville with you, you might get more back slapping for a comment like that. I agree with though in one thing lad, country is gone to the dogs and needs to wake up big time.



  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    almost every comment here that is concerned, angry, frustrated, worried about what's happening in Ireland right now is saying the same thing. We need to "wake up" "stop now" "get a reality check" etc. There is no point in us saying this has stop if we are just sitting at home complaining on Twitter, Facebook and Boards. That's the problem. In Ireland we protest about nothing. Absolutely nothing. But every Karen and Ken is on FB giving out about everything these days from cost of living, housing, healthcare etc. Social media is the only place people vent but that's as far as it goes. And we expect change???

    Our Government are getting a free ride on all of this. They are back slapping each other. We are like meek sheep and we were during the longest Covid lockdown in the world too!! Local TD's seem to be accepting that all these people will now stay, they will be part of the fabric of the "New Ireland" along with all other assylum seekers and immigrants. They are delighted with Government money (aka our taxes) pouring into their towns and villages. I do not have a problem with multiculturalism when people come here, can access housing and jobs and contribute to Ireland. I live beside many of them in my estate and have no problems at all, they are lovely people. But this is different. We are shoring up huge problems with tens of thousands of people coming in with no housing, no jobs and free benefits for everything.

    The Derrynane Hotel is now full of Ukrainians? I was there about 2 months ago but this must have happened since. So all of these hotels are closing doors to all tourism in the height of tourist season as Government money is better? None of these beautiful places are available anymore to Irish people and tourists. We are becoming one big campsite for anyone who wants to stay here for free, anywhere they like, and then they expect free bus trips everywhere and anywhere.

    I am one person, I have very few people around me and am not good at networking and connecting so a single invisible person like me could not organise a protest, but I would certainly go to any! People with connections who can see the reality of all this need to get together on mobilizing protests, people on the streets. As long as we sit at home fuming and venting nothing will change. We are looking at Ireland going down the toilet, nothing will be the same, even in the next 5 years. Look at the headlines the Dutch farmers are getting. Because they got up off their backsides and took action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    This FF councillor seems to think shes speaking for all Kerry...

    The office of the Fianna Fáil councillor is covered in Ukrainian welcome flags and information.

    Iveragh had been “screaming with years” about a downturn in population and it hugely welcomed the arrival of hundreds of Ukrainians, she said.

    However, she is under no illusions about the challenges posed by the increase.

    With one of only two GPs in Caherciveen set to retire in September, Ms Moriarty, a member of the health forum, said: “What remains the concern is our stretched medical services. It’s a problem they now share with us.”

    Mental health services for existing residents, but also for those “traumatised” by war, are almost completely lacking.

    “There will be a Ukrainian mix in South Kerry from now on — this is going to be part of our story,” she said. “They are sharing the problems of the people of South Kerry.”

    In other words we are struggling already for facilities in a town of 1,000 but lets take in another 300.

    Hotels are obviously happy as they are coining it and have already renewed for another 6 months which will look after the quiet winter months. You'd wonder if local businesses, restaurants etc are as happy missing out on the tourist trade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke




  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think a lot of communities are using the influx of Ukrainians to fight for services that they either lost through lack of use, or were nonexistent in the first place. Like transport. And who can blame them. There’s a saying that every cloud has a silver lining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Great, a cloud costing an estimated E3 billion next year may get some communities extra services.

    The Ukrainians with certainty will be swamping local doctors, schools etc. Sounds like a great silver lining - where do we sign up?!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    A lot of communities, including my own are actually looking on aghast at the services that have arrived , but not for them, exclusively for Ukrainian refugees, Services Communities have been fighting for a long time and now, essentially being mocked by Virtue signalling Nonsense.

    I can't speak for others , but there's not only been no integration of now , 36 Ukranian Refugees in my Tiny village, its actually been discouraged by the Host who somehow has magically brought 36 refugees to a village on the side of a mountain, with no services , arranged through FB , housing them in a disused B&B , his own home (young ,Children included) and a 3rd property he owns.

    The only time these refugees are seen is a large Queue outside the local PO once a week and when they are picked up by a private, paid for bus service, 3 days a week to head to the nearest town , 22 km away.

    It's utterly bizzare , quite surreal and I noticed a large delivery of Turf during the week to the B&B , suggesting these folks won't be going home any time soon.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I wonder what the poster would think of my South Dublin Accent and living in the arse end of nowhere in the Midlands

    Oh how the mighty have fallen 😋 .


    Although, to be fair, a blow-in from Dublin is probably not considered by the natives to be any more or less desirable than a blow-in from Kyiv.

    One has escaped from a place which is being over-run with feral animals who would murder them in order to steal their washing machine. You'd always be worried that they might be traumatized or even bring some of that behaviour with them to their new location. They're dumped into that area, getting Social Welfare and everything else handed to them, very little chance of them ever getting a job or contributing locally, and with nothing to do during the day except act the bowsie and cause trouble for the locals. Whereas the other one will probably just be a short term visitor until they can head back to Kyiv after the war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    I'm sorry about that, I'll delete that comment and look in the mirror myself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I believe, but not being admitted, through department of Transport, kind of an extension of the School bus arrangement. Company local and does all the local school runs. It's certainly not being paid for by Host or Refugees and no one else permitted to use the service, even if they offered to pay.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,055 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Why “must” we brace for anything? Nothing to do with us. We can send whatever bit of aid we might be able to spare. But they can stay in their own countries. If you can’t sustain populations you need birth control- building your food supply on cheap grain from two notoriously unstable regions is beyond idiotic

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1546506443431485441?s=21&t=1xkDvoo5m-0mh94Rw96DWQ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I've personally not given a thought or shyte what locals thought of Me buying a house in the locality 21 years ago bit oddly now that you say it, there was some resentment as people completely unrelated to previous owners felt they had a bizzare entitlement to my cottage, I think that's a rural thing though 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I've personally not given a thought or shyte

    That's the thing about blow ins............. 😋



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