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Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    There is a lot of truth in that. Tomas O'Se, Mick McCarthy, Mark O'Se, O'Mahony proved themselves as backs. I'd have Darragh O'Se over any of the present midfielders too. He was a great man for the big day. Kenneally was a serious pro to add in 2009. Young Tommy Walsh could field ball.

    With any team the jury is always out until that first All Ireland is won.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    Seen as they had cameras etc in Croke Park yesterday I thought a 2 min clip of the Junior Final between Kilkenny and New York could have been shown. I've never seen Kilkenny play football on the telly and I'm not far off 50!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭BrianBoru00


    A couple of posters should take off the blue tinted glasses....

    Dangerous play is certainly NOT well defined. In fact it's not defined at all..... Check it out for yourself.

    (The same goes for a melee -no definition in the rule book and players have gotten off on that very technicality. )

    The ball wasn't at his body there are two players going for the same ball both moving towards the ball.

    If we're going to really get technical it should have been a retake as the keeper has moved off his line before the ball is struck.

    Regardless the connection with the head is incidental contact which is permitted, in fact specifically mentioned in the rules. If you watch the video you can see him losing his balance as a result of his right foot landing on Comerfords outstrecthed hand and when he makes contact with his left boot theres no recoil from Comerfords head - there would be if it was a kick.

    You don't seem to understand the rules of the game. Just because something is a foul doesn't mean its a card. There's no assault - that's at best a farcical statement. There's no dropping of the knee to someones head.

    I'm presuming you're actually just trying to wind Kerry supporters up given that you've twice mentioned David Gough who wasn't refereeing, nor even a linesman.

    Why not be balanced and call for a red card for Fenton who put his arm around a Kerry players neck from behind to drag him away from his opponent in the seconds after this incident? That's deliberate, and dangerous. (To be fair to Fenton he appeared to realise and stopped and moved done to his arms



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Gael85


    Too be fair O'Shea and the Cliffords stood up in last 10 minutes. Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan disappeared in a lot of tight games for Kerry. Clifford and O'Shea will both better Gooch scoring record by time finish up playing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    Two great forwards, i'm not denying. But if Gooch and O'Sullivan went missing you had Donaghy, Galvin etc. I think 15 years ago they had a better 6 forwards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,202 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    I stole this off Reddit, taken just before Sean O'Se's free

    Screenshot_20220711_220206.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Exactly right. You have nothing to lose in a final, until you lose it. The same media who built you up have f all to do at that point except get stuck into you for the next few months.

    Walsh is a great player with devastating ability, but he makes a mistake in a tightish final and they lose - even if they are outsiders - and he will be picked apart in snidey articles until christmas. Same with comer and whoever else.

    Indeed michael fitzsimons will probably get a bit of it in the off season, maybe a few more pulled in for good measure. Im surprised the dub fans dont seem to realise this at this stage, thet seen ourselves get plenty of it after simply losing a big game that we werent even favourites for. That is how the media works these days. They are full of sh*te but you have to just grin and bear it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Was watching highlights of the final in 2013. The game has changed so much. Far less kicking nowadays. Teams are far better at retaining the ball around the 45 passing it around. It's not something that was really done back then.

    Kickouts were very different. All defenders pretty much stood still, even the dubs. Cuxton would either play an accurate pass through the lines or send one long to the wing.

    But nowadays whenever there's a score or wide the keeper is sprinting out with the ball looking for the quick one. That wasn't done back then.

    Now everyone stands in the centre and they all make runs looking to get free to the wings.

    You don't even notice these changes year on year but a decade, it shows how drastic the changes are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    I think it is mad that people are saying kerry have 2 top forwards. It was geaney that kept them out of hot water when others werent in it against mayo. Ironically enough, i would bet that it will be the likes of geaney who will be the difference against galway.

    Galway will probably set up very defensively and double up on sos and clifford, with kerrys other forwards being too good to be left idle and popping up for scores. Galway can also be over-zealous in the tackle and i think kerry will be cute enough to engineer frees from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    I think it was yourself saying O'Se's free wasn't a pressure one, like a leveller. I'd agree. Hero if you score and if it drops short or goes wide it was a shot to nothing. Now granted given the fatigue etc it was some score.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭crossman47




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Yes 100%. It was last kick of the game so no chance for Dublin to go up and win the game. Also far enough out that he wasn't expected to score it. If he missed it then everyone would have said it was a tall order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    Totally agree. The 35-45m leveller is pressure!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That was a huge kick. I disregard goalie taking frees. No goalie will have spend nearly eighty minutes running up and down the pitch. His legs must have been like jelly

    Next the atmosphere. He was kicking into hill sixteen with booing jeering and movement etc going on. There was 3-5 Dublin forwards as legally near the kick all waving there hands. I do not thing that happened for the mayo kick last year. The Mayo goalie got a second chance.

    Finally there was the kick its self. I saw it from behind on the Sunday game. There seem to have been a high strong breeze. It effect both teams shooting into that goal yesterday it was blowing right to left. He drove the ball out to the right and let the wind bring it back it. He seemed to drive it very far right of the posts. That too skill and understanding. Normally a lot more of player aim it straight down the middle and the win takes to the left and wide

    The game was going to extra time. Dublin looked the stronger team at that stage. He would be factoring in that this kick would definitely win the game while extra time was not something Kerry wanted at that stage of the game.

    Anybody that thinks it was not a pressure kick has not watched much football.

    I posted a link so you could see it in all its context. Hope you enjoy it

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Rian O Neills kick had far more pressure. A kick to keep your team in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,600 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That's a class photo. There is literal nail biting in the crowd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭MattressRick


    Fake news. That's a load of images of worried supporters from different matches just copied and pasted together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    I presume RTE are showing club games after 24 July?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭dobman88


    I saw that on twitter earlier. Meath footballers Emma Duggan, Vikki Wall and Aoibhin Cleary are in that photo too. Top right corner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Clifford is without doubt a class player , and i have no doubt in my mind , if he can stay injury free will go on to be one of the all time greats



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,822 ✭✭✭MfMan


    Rather unusual thing to say.

    Re: scoring, open to correction, but Galway were the highest scorers across the 4 league divisions. In their 5 championship games to date they have scored 11-82, an average of 23 points per game; only in the Mayo game have they only goaled once. Last Saturday was their lowest total to date.

    Re: beating the big teams, they've beaten the defeated AI finalists and Division 1 runners-up, Division 2 champions, Ulster champions and another Division 1 side. Not really much more they can do until the next match. This squad isn't a patch on the '98 team, but is similar in that both had a mixture of experienced, established and promising young talent which suddenly converged into a very good team that only gave the impression that it arrived overnight.

    I hope this is wrong, but it may well be a year too soon. The age profile of the squad is not yet that high, bar Conroy and maybe Silke and Walsh, and a couple of significant injuries and absentees this year, (Mulkerrins, McLaughlin, Cooke, Hernon?) would strengthen the squad further next year. So there is good potential in the Galway squad for a few seasons ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    It's when you become serial losers in finals that the media focus in on it, many good teams lose finals, often they bounce back and win one within a few years after learning from the experience, unfortunately Mayo just kept losing them and didn't seem to learn from their mistakes, hence the reason the media get on their back sometimes. But maybe like in 98 Galway will just grasp the opportunity and get it done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Its official photo from yesterdays match from James Crombie who is the 2021 & 2022 Irish Press Photographer of the Year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,026 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Going for a ball is not behaving dangerously to an opponent. Duty of Care is rugby talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,026 ✭✭✭doc_17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,026 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I’d say Eoin Murchin squirmed a lot when he watched replays of Seán O’Shea’s goal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    https://youtu.be/gyzwQ_v3T_M

    Where does Eoin Murchan play for his club?

    There are 3 Kerry players who pose a threat, he runs to the least threatening (who is marked) allowing O'Shea (in possession and the biggest threat) a free run at goal.

    Something similar happened at opposite end shortly after (when Kilkenny made final pass but I can't remember who scored point) where the defender ran out leaving an open path to goal.

    Is it a consequence of picking players good on the ball that they don't posses stopper/basic defending instincts? With all the quality on display I could believe the above happening and it had a massive influence on game.

    If Murchan defends that properly I'm not sure Kerry win the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    In the John Small incident and similarly Galligan of Cavan got send off against Westmeath for a very similar challenge. In both cases the player could have pulled out of the tackle. Both knew the ball was gone and the player vulnerable. However both also knew that pulling out of the challenge would hand possession to the opposition so they continued with the challenge. The other player did not move into there path. Thadgh Morley in a 2021 league game got send off for a similar but less dangerous version of the same tackle

    In the incident with the penalty rebound you see in soccer all the time. It was incidental contact after the ball was kicked with his trailing foot. The only way you can totally prevent such contact is to have the ball considered dead after a penalty is taken. The quid quo pro would be any movement by the goalie off his line would be a yellow car offence.

    EC playacting before the penalty would have influenced the refs decision. They will have to bring in a clock for the bin and stop it any time that there is a serious stoppage in play or when physio/ medical enters the pitch

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Have to agree with you. This was a huge kick and fair play to O'Shea for kicking it. As a free, it is probably second only to Cluxton's one.

    It was the difference. When you look back at a couple of the Mayo games against Dublin over the last decade, and the crucial frees that Cillian O'Connor missed, then you can tell what is required to kick a free like that with the pressure.



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