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Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    Connolly. The discussion was about better players. You piggy backed on it. Its beyond laughable people think Clifford is better than Connolly ,McCaffrey, Mannion etc. They won 6 on a row. Let that sink in. 6 all irelands in a row. Maybe Clifford is one for the future though as he is only 23.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Some of those are hard to enforce. For example, what if the corner back goes bombing up the field, can the corner forward not track him once he crosses the halfway line? What if the gk is taking frees? I agree on the tackle though, it is currently way too loose and it is suiting blanket defences and harsher on teams who are trying to play. If they enforced tackling rules properly and also the steps rule at the same time it would stop a lot of this stuff. Furthermore if teams had the cop on to work on the forward mark it would counter a lot of it also.

    One thing i think needs looking at is the advantage rule. If a guy takes on a shot, im not sure the advantage should come back if it goes wide. They have played on and had a scoring opportunity.

    A bigger issue i see is lack of meaningful punishment for cynical fouls when teams try to counter attack. They should be yellow cards every time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,822 ✭✭✭MfMan



    Rather unfair. None of their final performances over the past decade have been cake-walks for the opposition and few counties have had such a run of bad luck in the deciders. Those finals have also been quite entertaining matches for the most part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    I didnt 'piggy bag', or piggy back for that matter, onto anything. I was very much part of the initial conversation. Not that that matters, I mean surely you are 'piggy bagging' here yourself? Does that mean you aren't entitled to engage in the discussion?

    Clifford is a more skillful player than any of them. Connolly was very skillful but clifford is only a young lad and he is already showing a higher skill level than connolly did at his peak. As was already pointed out, darren daly has the same number of all irelands, and all due respect to him, but it displays that all ireland wins dont corrolate to individual skill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    Yeah no id agree , theyve made finals entertaining as well. Pathetic not to win one of them i feel. But mayo have brought a hell of a lot mote entertainment to football than Kerry in the last 10 years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    You are the one who brought in skill level. The original discussion was me saying con o callaghan was a better footballer than David Clifford. Are you really claiming that no dublin player of that 6 in a row are a better footballer than david clifford? In know what has he showed a skill level on par with Diarmuid Connolly ridiculous **** stirring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,211 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    It's not laughable in the slighest. Clifford may not have won a senior All-Ireland yet, but he was a phenom at minor (four goals in one final) and happens to be a victim of circumstance in that he came into a senior side not quite ready to win an AI (with Dublin in the process of claiming the six in a row). That doesn't negate the fact he is incredible.

    The only other player that is comparable in GAA in terms of entering the men's game with a huge reputation from minor is Joe Canning- some lads here probably think Bubbles Dwyer is better than him because he won more AI medals.

    Con is a great player to watch too, but he came into a team that was a winning machine. Roles reversed and he wouldn't be having the same trajectory Clifford has had so far.

    Christ some Dublin fans are insufferable. The achievements of that team will never be surpassed and kudos, but the way you go on you'd swear it isn't possible for there to be any great player from any county outside the capital either before or since. It does a dis-service to some absolute legends. For example, Canavan* only won two All-Ireland's, both at the very end of his career. Paddy Andrews must be better than him sure.

    * for those of you in a vacuum who only started following football in 2011, Peter Canavan was a wonderful footballer from Tyrone.

    I always hear Connolly's name crop up in all-time lists too, but in terms of full package (especially temperment) I wouldn't have him near it. Among his Dublin team-mates alone, I'd rank Cluxton, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Fenton, Flynn, Kilkenny, Con and the two Brogan's as far more reliable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    You are a joke if you think Clifford is a better than player already than all of those dublin players mentioned and indeed Canavan. Anti dublin bullshit.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Kaleb Raspy Marsupial


    David Clifford is the most skillful footballer since Trevor Giles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I don't know why people are bothering arguing with you. You referred to Clifford as

    "anonymous in big games Clifford"


    There is a neighbours dog barking outside my window at the moment who has more of a clue about it that you have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    How did he get on in the 2nd half yesterday pal? Whats his scoring record like in semis and finals? You think McCaffrey wasnt a better footballer or about 6 others i could name. Anti dublin bullshit. Lets forget the 6 in a row and the players that won it.



  • Posts: 676 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have had Dubs who I work with who have claimed that Sean O'Shea or Clifford wouldn't get near the Dublin team. Think they might be changing there tune after yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    You have named a list of some of the greatest footballers of all time and you describe them as "reliable" . Again anti dublin bullshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭timmyntc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,211 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Calm down. I called them more reliable than Connolly. I acknowledge their greatness.

    You are a cliche at this stage, pal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    The referee did give yellow cards every time for cynical/tactical fouling, Kerry ended up with quite a few yellow cards yesterday but it isn't enough of a deterrent. Really slows down the game.

    Speaking of the dark arts, once Clifford got an early yellow card yesterday, I was a bit surprised the Dubs didn't take turns trying to provoke him in wresting matches etc. hoping for a "yerra give them both yellows" type reaction from the ref.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Sure "pal". Anonymous yesterday, anonymous v Tyrone last year, anonymous v Mayo in the QF and the League final.

    Delete your account and try again with your next one and set yourself a target of getting to 100 posts without making a complete fool out of yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    Ah ive been to enough wins now to last a lifetime haha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    You havent a clue. Keep spouting your anti dublin nonsense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    They wouldnt have got near the 6 in a row. That is for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,097 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Not 'near' it. Like not even on the panel. So that makes, what, 12-15 Dublin forwards of the last decade better than David Clifford? In your head.



  • Posts: 120 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trevor very overrated. By the time he was 28 he was gone.

    Lovely kiss passer of the ball, not a whole lot else to him. Graham Geraghty streets ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    I’ll have to call bullshit on this one, and on the very slight chance that you have met several Dublin fans that have said this they aren’t worth discussing any type of sport with let alone Gaelic football. But again, this sounds like utter bullshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Ya, I surprised by how much people are writing off Galway. Its hard to compare the form lines. I think Mayo are really the only useful overlap, but Galway have improved game on game since they played Mayo and its no mean achievement to beat them in the championship in their home ground even if it was only by a point.

    I'd imagine Galway will carry a far bigger attacking threat than Dublin did yesterday. They have 4 scoring forwards and 2 scoring midfielders. All of their full forward line on any given day is capable of bagging goals and a hatful of points. Even Kerry don't have the same breadth of an attacking threat as Galway do, obviously DC and SOS are far superior individually to anything Galway have, but the rest of the Kerry attack is fairly ordinary, Geaney is a passenger at this level. Stephen O'Brien is a very limited footballer, but has a burst of speed over 5 yards that takes him past a defender and allows an offload to a shooter and is quite important in that respect to Kerry, Paudie Clifford while very effective especially in the second half yesterday is a work horse, Diarmaid O Connor is more a rangy midfielder than a forward also.

    It may well be that it is just a general step up in class, physicality, pace and intensity for Galway and they might be beaten comfortably, it is hard to tell.

    Like the Limerick hurlers, we are kind of waiting for a complete Kerry performance for 70 minutes, which apart from the Limerick game we have not seen. They looked out on their feet yesterday in the last 10 minutes and I would have feared for them in extra time. Clifford had stopped making those runs that he had been doing in the first half, Spillane seemed to lose some confidence after a bad wide, at one stage I saw Seanie O Shea admonishing him for bring back in his own full back line - he was obviously intended to be the target man in the FF line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam



    Jesus man, yesterday has hit you really hard. It's only a football match. You sound like you're going to have a break-down.

    You're still barking away, even after making a comment that Paul Mannion is a better player than David Clifford. Surely you have to see the folly in your comments. Paul Mannion is a very good player. But David Clifford is a phenomenal player. In my opinion, there is nobody that matches him. I cannot think of any player present or past who could replicate one of the points he got yesterday - the one where he got round one dub, then he had another Dub following him trying to take him down but couldn't, and then he wrong footed another Dub, and slotted it over on the Davin side goal.

    Diarmuid Connolly could do some remarkable things on the pitch. But would often go missing when his head wasn't in it. And could not be relied on that he wouldn't smack one of the officials and create mayhem.

    Just as a matter of interest, would any of his Dublin colleagues on here come to his defense that Paul Mannion is a better player than David Clifford. And I'm not talking about the amount of medals he has won. The quantity of All-Irelands does not make a person an outstanding GAA footballer, when they are but one cog in a well-oiled machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    On the topic of rules, one that annoys me is the number of steps taken.

    What's the point in having it in the rulebook that you can only take 4 steps before a solo or hop when it's not enforced?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80,650 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Great thing to see, fair play to O'Connor




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭anglesorangles


    Oh jesus Christ , you have described him as the greatest player of all time hahahhaahah nobody matchs him?. Yesterday hasnt hit me hard , im glad dublin played well in the 2nd half otherwise it would have been a drab affair. As i said to another poster , ive been to enough all ireland wins now to last me a lifetime



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