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Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,129 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You can’t get rid of human error.

    you can dispense with either equipment that is unreliable or those who may not install and or audit it’s accuracy before it’s live use.

    id love to know what testing scenario is in place before it’s use …on match days…

    surly the obvious would be to kick points from various angles and of varying heights and speeds, film the balls going over the bar and compare the filmed points to the Hawkeye interpretation… if Hawkeye is accurately representing the actual path and trajectory of the football… off we go.

    if a discrepancy is noted, forget it…

    nothing ridiculous about anything I’m saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,984 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Watch something controversial will happen now

    Galway under no pressure in the final as the media will be heavily going with the winners of Kerry vs Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I was saying it for weeks that I had major doubts over this Derry team despite all the bigging up of them by the pundits.

    Ciaran whelan said they were the real deal.

    On paper they beat three great sides but in reality, donegal, Tyrone and monaghan were very bad this year.

    Clare were not good yet still caused them big problems in defence. Their goalkeeper really showed he wasn't up to the very very top level.

    Shane Walsh once again did nothing I'm afraid. Good on the frees but he's supposed to be one of the best in the country yet its another game he didn't stand out in.

    What changed the game was kick outs. Derry were getting all theirs out short in the first half. They always had a man free. Second half they had to go long a lot, Galway seemed to somehow work it that they couldn't go short. All they tried to do was hit it to Glass every time.

    I don't know what to think about gaelic football today. It feels like 80% of every game is the same every game with attack cycling the ball through the half forward line against a packed defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,036 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    I think the GAA should investigate the merit of placing a second crossbar at high level. If the ball goes above it, it wouldn't be a score and would reduce the amount of scores from long range in hurling. Sensors could be placed around the opening to sense an object breaking the plane or even a net to rule out any questions.

    Be a bit of extra drama from balls hitting the upper crossbar and dropping close to goal occasionally too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Yes, people saying Galway were cut to shreds in the opening quarter are wrong. It appeared to me that Galway were really focused on not conceding a goal early. They gave up a couple of relatively easy point chances but snuffed out any goal chances. Derry have been hitting teams for early goals in every game. It energises them and gives them a platform to hit teams on the counter. I felt at halftime that Galway would be happy enough with how things went. They went for it a bit more in the second half and put Derry away fairly easily. Derry looked terrible when the had to chase the game. Galways game plan seemed to work well. Derry are very limited in the forward department. Galway have class forwards, Derry held some of them today but Comer cut loose. McDaid did a job on Glass aswell.

    I fancy Gakway to go all the way, they have the forwards to do it. No matter who they play it should be a better of a final. Derry are God awful to watch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,036 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    Unfair on walsh I think. He's being double marked and created space for others just by the very fact they were dedicating two to him. He was also very important defensively today.

    I could see him having a big final against either team as there'll be less emphasis on just negating his influence. Did what was asked off the frees from both feet too. Not an easy thing when you're being held out of a game. At least Derry went the legal way about stopping him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    The very last thing the football game needs is to discourage long range shooting. The long range shot is often the only way past a blanket defence, imagine if that option was made less viable. The game gets even more defensive again.

    Hurling does indeed though need to sort out the farce of being able to score basically anywhere on the field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭spurshero


    It’s a very different team …. Only Shane Walsh comer and Sean Kelly started in 2018 from the team that started today . Conroy was injured a young Kieran molloy was on the bench along with Heaney .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,129 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You can ring the GAA up and tell them it’s a ‘ridiculous’ decision as they have decided to bin Hawkeye for tomorrow.

    i really can’t call tomorrow, I’ll go draw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,036 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    It' would still an option to kick from long range. The bar would be right at the top of the existing posts. It's not like it's a small target.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,786 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Dubs 13/8 at home in an AI s/f vs a team that havent beaten them in 11 years...cant leave that behind.


    And if I lose, i'll be delighted!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Lord jesus, that's your solution to an error with hawkeye?

    I doubt it would take long to investigate the merit of that tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭easygoing39


    Anyone hear rumours that food poisoning is affecting some of the Kerry lads tonight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Gael85




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,672 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It isn't ridiculous to not use it until they figure out what went wrong.

    Assuming that it can be fixed, it would also be ridiculous to bin it in that instance too.

    They do need to improve match day testing and validation, however it's through failures that procedures get improved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭MacDanger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,447 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    It's one thing a goalkeeper going upfield but it's another thing when that goalkeeper is not good enough to do it.


    Rafferty for armagh did very well, knew when to do it. But the Derry lad wasn't going to sprint by anyone and didn't have the skills on the ball.

    I don't remember him doing it in previous games? Was it a new tactic from dryhands Gallagher?

    Goalkeeping has developed crazily in the last few years alone. I can't remember, was the short kick out started by cluxton? If it was, seems mad to think it was revolutionary at one stage when everyone does it now. Or was cluxton more known for the one who brought in the accurate pinged kickouts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80,643 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Derry bottled it in CP. Much better team than that. All Ireland final is tomorrow imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,129 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Figuring out want went wrong is one thing.

    but ensuring that the system won’t be inaccurate again is more important.

    A system that has such a large impact potentially on results needs to be 100% failsafe.


    again.. was it human error in its calibration or installation ? Or is the system itself potentially unreliable ?

    remember we are talking well over a meter of a discrepancy here from the actual real life path of the football and what Hawkeye showed us..

    A massive discrepancy. Huge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Both. Cluxton went so short, lads were receiving the kick out on their own end line.

    They changed the rules so it had to be outside the 20 so he mastered the long, accurate kick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Short kick out came into effect in the past 10 years, after Mc guiness as his team would just flood back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Great to see Galway back in a final.

    In fairness, its over due, u21 and minor suceess throughout last decade. Corofin as well.

    Joyce had them well drilled, and cian O'Neil is a big plus for him this years, loads of experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    How many points did we just accept the result of hawkeye for? I was thinking of other matches where I thkuhjt it was strange that the shot was so bad.

    Conor Glass point was so so so close. Could they put lasers on the posts up another 40 feet? Then if the laser breaks then it means the ball hit the post and it woukd be no score.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,595 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Hopefully the game tomorrow is better than that dirt today. Football is dying right in front of our eyes, that was a very bad advertisement for football today. slow build up, 15 men in your own half, balls going backwards. keepers up in the opposition full forward line trying to shoot. The GAA need to make some rule changes before the fans stop turning up. I mean these were supposed to be 2 of the best teams in the Country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Galwayhurl


    They should ban forwards from going back behind the halfway line for the craic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    Interesting suggestion, I'd say the health and safety man might not approve, if it broke and fell it could be quite a scene. I doubt they'll go there,but I can see your point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,129 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Periods there where Derry were just… employing what to me were ridiculously negative tactics. Loosing but absolutely packing everything and everybody behind the ball when Galway had possession… I’m thinking Derry lost that as much on the sideline as they did on the pitch.

    8 scores in 74/75 minutes

    Their goal came too late..74 minutes



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A poster here after the quarter finals suggested that Derry would struggle because they did not score much.

    They only got 13 points v Clare, obviously supplemented by 5 goals thanks to a wide open Clare.

    And it was shown today, they only scored 6 against a much tougher defensive opponent, and their goal was certainly in garbage time.

    And today Galway did not fare much better, 14 points from just 10 scores will not beat Dublin or Kerry

    They have to be back scoring in the 20 point range like they did v Armagh to have a chance.



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