Marvel Cinematic Universe general stuff

09-07-2022 10:48AM

First thing that came to mind for me was disney just getting a black director for a black captain america.

FunLover18 · 09-07-2022 11:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119312987#Comment_119312987

I have no issue with that but it feels more like picking a director they can influence.

pixelburp · 09-07-2022 11:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313036#Comment_119313036

It reads 100% like that. Jeymes Samuel (The Harder They Fall) would have been a more interesting choice had a black director been a requirement - but the MCU formula demands anonymity.

Slydice · 09-07-2022 03:54PM

This feels like Feiges style. Taking a more unkown Director on board and giving them a shot.

The Hollywood Reporter headline "best known" felt a bit of a distraction when I went looking at the IMDB and RT of Julius Onah and noticed that it he has very little feature film work.

~Rebel~ · 09-07-2022 09:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313036#Comment_119313036

I think it's less about influence, and more about picking someone with more experience in the underlying subject matter of the film, rather than a blockbuster guy. They have their action teams who will cover that set piece stuff - they're looking for people to properly handle the stuff between the set pieces (like bringing in Jon Watts after his experience working with kids on Cop Car).

Onah wrote and directed 'Luce' which is a really good nuanced look at race in America (really good movie, well worth a watch!), which is clearly the direction they're taking Captain America from what we saw in the tv show. Would be pretty confident that's why he was picked for this one.

FunLover18 · 09-07-2022 09:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119315239#Comment_119315239

I have no doubt that's why they're selecting a black director and I think they have to tell this story but I have to hope you're right about this particular black director. I'll have to check out Luce as I haven't seen anything by this guy. I hope it works out better than Watts though, those films are fine but I struggle to see anything close to a director's thumbprint on them.

~Rebel~ · 09-07-2022 10:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119315305#Comment_119315305

Definitely a big step up for him alright - hopefully he can handle it. To be honest, from what it looks like this movie is going to be trying to achieve, i'd say the script behind it is even more important than who's directing. Hopefully they've got something solid to work from!

Looks like it's the same fella who was the main guy behind the TV show, so it'll likely have a similar feel to that, and carry on the same conversation on a bigger scale.

FunLover18 · 09-07-2022 10:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119315440#Comment_119315440

I could be wrong but I think it's the same writer who wrote TF&TWS which doesn't fill me with confidence 😬

~Rebel~ · 09-07-2022 10:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119315445#Comment_119315445

Yeah, i went and googled after i posted that - aww, i quite liked parts of that show! It went a bit all over the place at times, but I liked how that central conflict around the shield and what being captain america actually meant was handled. Main thing for the movie will just be keeping focused on whatever story its telling, and tell it well. Marvel can go a bit too wild in scope sometimes!

pixelburp · 10-07-2022 05:51AM

The creative input of Marvel directors - or lack thereof - is pretty well documented at this stage and don't expect Onah to have a stronger voice than the FX department and 2nd Unit ... but do we have an idea of how flexible the scripts can be?

Cos if they're fairly locked in when the director does their bit, I'd question how much input Onah would have about the black voices in the film; Or how they'd even be worked in beyond some generic Racism is Bad segues in the script. I haven't seen the Falcon show but what parts I saw, the dialogue and politics were secondary school level.

I wasn't even joking when suggesting Jeymes Samuel, cos he not only brought a distinct black voice to the film, he did it while still being a visually distinct and exciting film. There were absolute arresting action sequens. He could do wonders with a big budget if he was given the runway.

10-07-2022 12:11PM

Watching black bird and despite being a very good actor having a great physique taron is to slim and pretty to play logan logan is a ruggedly handsome bulky man made of muscle not a millennial metrosexual gym bunny

Agent Coulson · 10-07-2022 12:48PM

He is also very small at 5ft8 compared to Jackman who is 6ft3 I know in the comics Logan is a short ass however after Jackman played him I think it needs to be someone of a similar size.

He would be a better fit for Cyclops or Gambit

FunLover18 · 10-07-2022 12:52PM

Yeh some gym bunny could never play Wolverine ...

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/building-muscle/g751802/hugh-jackman-wolverine-workout/

Mr Crispy · 10-07-2022 02:11PM

Can't really think of anyone I'd see as perfect for the role, so I hope they go for another unknown and surprise us like they did with Hugh.

Foxtrol · 10-07-2022 05:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313036#Comment_119313036

It looks like they've given certain directors a lot greater influence recently and it has been what groups of fans have complained about the most - Eternals and recent Thor being two examples

pixelburp · 11-07-2022 11:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317210#Comment_119317210

It's not so much the "unknown" label that irks, but how Marvel keeping going for ones with almost zero experience in Action Cinema, it always disappoints. The MCU might be more hands off than most blockbuster gigs but when they do hire directors with some semblance of action flourish the results work well.

Mr Crispy · 11-07-2022 11:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119321060#Comment_119321060

I was talking about the next Wolverine, not their next director. 🙂

pixelburp · 11-07-2022 12:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119321080#Comment_119321080

Whoops. As you were. Perhaps some hot quantities in streaming shows might be a good stealing horse for an unknown actor.

Agent Coulson · 11-07-2022 12:49PM

The lad who plays Jack Reacher on Amazon could do a good job as Logan.

FunLover18 · 11-07-2022 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119321423#Comment_119321423

I'd have to disagree with you there, he's very wooden which makes him perfect for Reacher but I think he'd be a poor Wolverine. Maybe a good shout for Cyclops though.

stesaurus · 11-07-2022 01:31PM

Think it was already mentioned but Wes Chatham from the Expanse series. Knows how to do angry and has the build albeit in between comic Logan and Jackman Logan for height.

flazio · 11-07-2022 04:17PM

Well, I know of an actor who already has some proven chemistry alongside Patrick Stewart and even has the cigar smoking experience.

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1085051/

Brief_Lives · 11-07-2022 09:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119321746#Comment_119321746

That is a great call.....

pixelburp · 11-07-2022 10:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119321746#Comment_119321746

Good call; though if he signed up that probably would put the final nail in the coffin of a Season 7 😀

FunLover18 · 12-07-2022 12:26AM

I thought The Expanse was cancelled

JP Liz V1 · 13-07-2022 12:57AM

Alden Ehrenreich has been cast in IronHeart

pixelburp · 13-07-2022 05:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119324598#Comment_119324598

It's status is 🤷 Amazon cancelled it though yes, but there are three remaining books - not sure if the creators were/are shopping around though.

TheIrishGrover · 13-07-2022 09:09AM

So saw Thor last weekend. Long post in the Thor thread so won't post it here but long story short, it was disappointing. While some of this was down to the film itself, I think some of it is also down to the oft-mentioned Superhero Fatigue.

Someone mentioned above that one of the issues with this phase is the lack of an endpoint/path. Is it some vague Multiverse threat? (Think of the toys they could sell!!! How many dead characters they could bring back?) Is it something to do with that shadow group post credit in Black Widow/Falcon & The Winter Soldier?..... Is it Harry Stiles?

I enjoyed the drip feed of The Avengers formation/Thanos in the previous movies.

I enjoyed the TV series to various degrees but I personally am just trudging through the movies at this stage

pixelburp · 13-07-2022 09:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119330353#Comment_119330353

What Phase 1 had going for it was simplicity: there were what, 6 Main Characters to work in? 7-9 total if we count Loki, Nick Fury etc. That lead to an incredibly straightforward, easy-to-follow arc and set of characters.

Phase 4 is proceeding and if we count the TV shows there's an almost bewildering number of Main Characters; where do you begin if you're a casual viewer, not up to speed with (say) Wanda Maximoff's current status? And that's before you get into the true madness of keeping tabs on the Post Credits Scene. Dozens of overlaps, arcs, double-crosses and so on.

There's a good reason why the comics periodically reset their universes: there's often an insurmountable level of story bollix preventing simply dipping in and out of characters. Better to One More Day it than keep piling on the plot polyfila.

I don't know how you solve that problem; heck I don't know that it IS a problem, given none of the Phase 4 films have exactly underperformed financially - bar perhaps the understandable CoVid releases. But certainly from a personal point of view, as someone who would have known the Broad Strokes of most of the MCU cast from the comics - it has become like homework trying to keep track of Who's Who.

13-07-2022 11:54AM

It's become as dense as comics and will become unpenetrable to casual viewers, or viewers who like any one particular property.

Earlier phases films were stand alone, with tentpole events. You could pretty much ignore films you did not like.

Now? Must watch several streams on D+ or risk not following the next film.

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