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Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    Curtain raiser for Sundays game will be Kilkenny v New York in the Junior Football Final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭dobman88




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,310 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Bit odd putting that on, if it was a ladies football Dublin v Donegal would make more sense. Before Dublin match.

    In saying that though. Men’s Junior football AI win for Dublin was the spark for now many household names.

    But in the case of NY and KK it will be the pinnacle for those lads. So it is a different type of vibe.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Have they changed the rules for that competition ?

    Junior was a competition that Kerry had a monopoly on this last decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,914 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    They did change the rules on it at one stage, can't remember the exact scenario but it was basically to stop senior teams using junior as their B team/feeder team for the main squad



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,310 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Your’e correct according to Wikipedia-

    ”GAA Congress in 2021, a motion was passed to change the entire structure of the All Ireland Junior Football Championship competition to that of a mostly 'overseas competition' “

    Irish Post ~


    “The All-Ireland Junior Football Championship is a GAA competition involving four Junior Gaelic football inter-county teams... New York, Kilkenny, and the winner and runner-up of the British Junior Football Championship, all meeting in the All-Ireland Junior Football Championship semi-final. 

    Prior to a change in competition structure in 2021, the competition was previously for all Junior Gaelic football inter-county teams in Ireland.”

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭WillmaDickfit


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  • Posts: 676 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nothing odd about it.Them lads deserve a day in Croke Park.I rather see them play there as a curtain raiser then a women's match



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Why do 'them lads' deserve a chance more that the 'women's match' apart from your personal preference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    A competition that was on its last legs and HQ brought in something that is worse. on the topic of Kilkenny when are they going to return and play NFL I think its ten years since they stopped playing in it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,602 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Why still call it the junior cup ?

    For one thing NY are a senior team. Call it the intercontinental or something.

    And sort out that joke of a KK situation. I think they are the only non dual county in the country and there is no excuse other than snobbery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Junior is a grade. At intercounty level the GAA refuse to grade as the do in every county at adult level.

    In every county you have Senior, Intermediate and junior grades. These are often split further into normal and premier grades.

    Junior was split in every county traditionally into Junior A and Junior B ( in Kerry it's called Novice)

    The GAA insist on calling most IC graded competition after the cup presented

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Posts: 676 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All Ireland finals should be played in Croke Park and I include every grade from men to women and them lads deserve a day in Croke Park



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,602 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Thank you but I do understand how the GAA name championships.

    But from what I am aware Britain only has a junior championship so that they could enter the old Junior cup and Ney York are not a Junior team (although maybe I'm wrong there) so name it something else.

    The whole junior thing is stupid anyway as it makes it sound like adults are playing in a children's tournament.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,310 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Putting the NY v KK junior football final on before KK v Limerick hurling final would make more sense IMO.

    But could you call the Junior football final a real competition or real final? There are only four teams in it.

    It is really a tokenism exhibition competition now. Couple of teams in it. The GAA diaspora plus KK. No one but friends and relatives would turn out to see it. Let’s be honest. Does it deserve to be played in CP? I am not so sure.

    Does it make sense to play it in CP either? I am not so sure either. Better venues for it as a stand alone exhibition.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    One interesting thing happened this year. The minor hurling and football finals were moved out of CP to smaller venues. There was 17k at the hurling final in Portlaois. The atmosphere was electric. On the SG Maher and Cussack talked about when they played minor finals CP was empty except for a few family members. At HT the crowd started to come in but most were only looking at there program to see who they were watching.

    It a point I made a out the Tailtain or any other cup the GAA play. Finals need not be in CP but in an adequate sized venue appropriate to the crowd

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Think I'm right in saying that London team is their second team, not their normal first team.

    Strange having a 4 team competition and calling it an All Ireland. Why not open it up to the likes of the Asian teams and other US cities?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,310 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Yeah that is what I was thinking of as well, pick the right sized venue and the place is packed and hopping. Otherwise In an empty CP hearing nothing but seagulls and roars on the pitch surely takes away from an occasion.

    In CP anything below 40k has an odd atmosphere as it is. CP for a couple of thousand people is nonsensical.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Agreed.

    The GAA really need a radical rethink of their ticket pricing structures, all they are doing is pricing people out of attending and lessening their own revenue streams.

    Its been cited I don’t know how many times and by how many people that they should look at the German Bundesliga ticketing model of maximising stadium space by offering cheapest tickets possible to break even, sometimes even at a loss but their is a trickle down effect of sales such as merchandise, food and drinks within the stadium which turns it into a profit. Their tickets are just over €10 for an adult and stadiums are packed. If I got a ticket for today for a tenner I’d be there with my two kids. The bringing the kids element obviously has the additional knock on positive of exposure to the games and them being the next generation. Yes it’s a tenner for them, but mine is €50 so feck that. As it stands none of us will go and I imagine we will see plenty of empty seats today which could easily be filled. The GAA have always been hailed as great innovators of promoting the game but when it comes to getting people into croke park for games outside of AI finals this is definitely not the case. Remember those absolutely shite half time music acts they tried? Embarrassing. It’s as simple as reducing ticket prices to fractional profit, break even or even risk a small loss hoping to make it up in various sales within the stadium.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I do not think the GAA's ticket prices are way out of line. CP never filled for semi finals. The Dublin supporters will tend to buy tickets at the last moment. A lot of the Hill crowd will buy the ticket tonight or tomorrow morning and grab a bus into the game.

    Yes they do need to consider holding QF pelim QF outside CP. The ideal situation is for teams to consider a home and away arrangements if possible. Some teams will meet each other every 5 ISH years. Teams in Munster already do this in Hurling and football.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭WillmaDickfit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Why exactly do "them lads" deserve a day in Croke park? What does that even mean? Can you expand on that in any way?

    Is it because of the achievement? The achievement of being the last 2 out of 4 teams?

    Is it the history? The history of New York teams that change every year depending on who is in the country? Or the Kilkenny team that doesn't bother competing in the NFL?

    If I wanted I could probably get a transfer to either of those counties and be eligible for the county team, would that make me deserving of a day out in Croke park?

    I am genuinely curious what the word "deserve" even means in this context because I cannot see it at all. And that is without going into how devalued the concept of playing in Croke park has become anyway. Is there even anybody left who hasn't played in Croke park at this stage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    I'd say with the Killkenny footballers they've ticked off the last box there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Was online the other night looking at tickets, and there was about 20 or so left that I could see. Only single Davin and a few Cusack left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Pat Spillane stepping down from punditry on The Sunday Game after All Ireland Final. He has been doing it for 30 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Spillane's retiring from RTÉ. One less Yerra to put up with in the media! :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Dublin team named. Lack of 16 to 26 published would probably mean Con and McCarthy will be in there. Does anyone know if that's an unchanged 15 from the Cork game?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    Derry fans pissing in the motorway bushes already, men after my own heart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,602 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's not really a 4 team tournament unless you call the old All Irelands a 4 team tournament. All the British teams are technically involved.

    But ya no harm having the Euro champions and who ever else wants in



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Dublin being very secretive about their team and match day 26. Team only announced at the last minute. They will have had to give a team and match day 26 for the program. While they can chang both until the official team and 26 were handed in it looks like Dublin are unsure of themselves

    Slava Ukrainii



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