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Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,606 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I don't see why September really makes a difference except for "that's how it always was so that's best" old man shouting at cloud stuff.

    Going back to September means running the club game without the intercounty players because what was happening the club players (who are the vast majority of players) was a load of sht.

    We haven't even got to the club championship yet and all change is written off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,917 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    If cork had beaten Dublin the attendance at cork Kerry this weekend wouldn’t have been great . Maybe 40k?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles


    This arguement that its great for the clubs doesn't really hold water most counties haven't even started their club championship yet? Why not? We're told we have to cut back the intercounty championship rush it all off in a few weeks to benefit the club game and championships yet they're all waiting till August/September to start anyway like they would have before. The intercounty championship should be given priority it is the main event after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    There's just too many games for a player to play both county and club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,914 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Replays provide great drama on the day for fans but it's a disaster from a scheduling perspective and not fair on the players. It's at semi final now, so if there were a couple of replays then one team would be a lot more worn out than the other which is not what you want for. We already had the scenario in the super 8s, where teams coming through the qualifiers had 4 or 5 games played in quick succession whereas the stronger provincial winners had a few weeks off and were fresh as daisies.

    I'm looking back at the scheduling here and picked 1997, which was disrupted by kildare and Meath playing 3 games (2 replays) in leinster. Offaly won leinster by 8pts that year, playing meath who had played Kildarex3 and Dublin already. Kerry won the all ireland that year after playing just 4 games: 29th June, 20th July, 24th August and 28th September. It's mental to have the season that spread out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    The scheduling is going to be a lot worse next year and especially for the Ulster teams.

    Ulster

    QF, SF and Final v tough teams and potentially a preliminary round too.

    The team that loses in the final will be 2nd seed, so expected to finish 2nd in the round robin. That means they need to play

    R1, R2, R3 of the round robin and then a play off for the quarter finals.

    Then a QF, SF, Final of the AI.

    That's 10 games for an Ulster team.

    Ulster teams who want to win the AI will now play at LEAST 9, with a maximum of 11 games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    I don’t think major sporting events, euros, world cups etc, interfere with the GAA championship. Just adds to the list of what to watch. July Vs September thing I’ve no real opinion on, I’d watch or go to games either way, no real nostalgia feeling for me with September either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,606 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The soccer, rugby, tennis, Tour de France are always waiting in the long grass if you ask some GAA fans.

    I saw a documentary about North Mon in Cork from back in the 90s and a coach is worried that tennis and basketball are gonna to lure away all the kids.

    I don't think there is any actual stats that back up a drop in GAA during a World Cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Don't talk sh1te about things you know nothing about. Kildare's record at minor/u17 and u21/20 level over the last 15 years is excellent and there's very good work being done at underage in this county. Problem is playing moneybags Dublin every year in their own back yard and getting duly hammered turns lads off once they get to senior level. They go travelling and generally are not going to give the commitment when the lads up the road are handed every advantage, and who can blame them.

    Blaming Meath and Kildare is a cop out, no one wants to discuss the blatent bias the GAA show towards Dublin.

    Get rid of these supid provincial championships for good, they're a joke and have been for a long time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    You don't think, that's for sure.

    If Ireland are playing at the Euros or WC you don't think it would affect attendance or viewers?

    I mean we literally have evidence to show that when the GAA decided to go up against Ireland v Scotland and Leinster in the European Cup Final only this year!

    Not to mention, when in 2016, the Leinster SF was up against Ireland v France at Euro 2016. Honestly, it's mental that the GAA see a crowded environment and think "ME TOO"!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Yeah, that's the reason you can't bate decent teams, cos Dublin are too good 😂

    I hope they do away with the provincials just so Meath and Kildare will have to come up with some new excuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Ireland playing in euros or World Cup is at this stage an extraordinary event, not something regular, a once off, let’s be honest. The GAA have enough wherewithal to work around a situation like that. I’m old enough to remember going to dr Cullen park in 2002, we played Wexford after Ireland played Cameroon in the World Cup that morning. It was very messy with lads out of their box but it had zero impact on attendance, ground was packed, if anything it added to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Funny, ye weren't very good 15 years ago before the GAA pumped €19m into Dublin GAA over 5 years. Next nearest county Cork got €2.5m over that same 5 year period.

    But yeah.. it's all Kildare and Meath's fault.

    Delusional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,606 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    About which bit ?

    The Cork fella is true and I think the stats might be but open to correction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Kildare and Meath are single code counties. Galway a dual county was struggling at Football 7-10 years ago. They changed structures and are now a much stronger football team. They will probably reach an AI football final this year

    The success at underage should actually mean it should have being easier for Kildare and Meath to transition. Do I agree with the Dublin funding model no I do not. But both Meath and Kikdare have themselves to blame for a lot of there issues.

    Cork is in the same boat in both codes. The former County Secretary refused to change to academy structures when all the evidence pointed to that.

    For the last ten years Leinster counties have been unwilling to put any challenge to Dublin. TBF Kildare actually beat them.in the league this year. They were unlucky not to retain D1 status. This was mainly down to only three home games. Next year's league will be interesting in that Galway and Roscommon will have four home games. Galway will definitely survive. Roscommon will struggle but the extra home game may allow them to survive.

    Kerry Armagh, Monoghan and Tyrone all have only three. Monoghan will probably definitely go down and I would say Armagh or Roscommon

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    So that's why Kildare can't beat any of the top tier teams? What province would Kildare be winning titles in? Ulster? Nope. Munster? Nope. Connaught? Nope



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,606 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What big game was affected by the Ireland and Leinster match ?

    If it's Dublin vs Kildare you are talking about I think the rest of the season shows it was no rugby match that has caused the drop in Dublin fans.

    I wouldn't be a fan of having a big championship game the same time as any big Ireland game as I like all those sports but overall GAA attendance holds steady on World Cup and Euros years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    More nonsense. Give Kildare and Meath €20m each and let us play every game at home. We'd improve no end.

    Sounds silly doesn't it? This is the reality. But the likes of you just want to blame Meath and Kildare and ignore the elephant in the room.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Anyway onto the 3 games this weekend..

    The Tailteann Cup final should be a decent game. Was very impressed with Westmeath's demolition of Offaly last time out and a bit underwhelmed with Cavan. Bookies have Cavan as favorites but I'm going for Wesmeath. Westmeath by 2.

    Derry v Galway is as impossible to call as Armagh v Galway, Galway very ropey at times against Armagh and their goalkeeper is a massive weak point for them. Derry been impressive all year and their ability to get goals is making me lean towards them. Derry by 4.

    Dublin v Kerry the hardest to call of all 3 games, no idea what's going to happen here. Is Clifford fit? He didn't look it last time out. Much will depend on him. But Dublin at home swings it for me and can see them winning. Dublin by 3.

    Should be a great weekend of football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    How is Kerry v Dublin not sold out? I’m really surprised at this, Dublin aren’t favourites , it’s probably the two most likely winners and it’s kind of the two biggest names in the sport fighting it out.

    I remember 59,000 at a Donegal v Dublin league final replay in 1993. Football was horrendous but it still got a savage crowd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,148 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Could be a good time to take them over all the same. As you say they are at a very low ebb, looked like a team that had checked out this year.

    Mightn't take a whole lot to get them back up around the top of Div 2 and there could be some good young talent from that minor team and some decent underage teams coming through.

    For the right man, it could be a canny move. You would think the only way is up from here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    It's almost like the games are an inconvenience!

    It's not the games every two weeks that are the problem, for instance I'd love to have that problem. (my team is long out)

    If people genuinely can't afford it then change the prices, not the schedule. Having games every 3 or 4 weeks apart is nonsense, play the fvckin games and just enjoy it. Don't leave 99% of players at home waiting for the last 4 teams to finish off the championship through August and September.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Don't underestimate the lockdown changing peoples habits, I havent been to a game this year because I got into spending time at weekends doing other activities that I took up or got back into over the lockdown.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Agree, I know plenty that haven't gone to a single event, sports, music, theatre, cinema etc.

    But I still reckon it will still be close to capacity on Sunday. What are the numbers so far?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,606 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Regardless of the calendar, generally I think the GAA do need to tackle poor attendances. They really don't help themselves.

    The price of hotels and Dublin plus the high inflation incl. petrol prices of course doesn't help, and the GAA have limited control over this

    I went to a hurling semi last weekend (actually only 39,000 at it apparently, so around half capacity). Upper tiers of Davin and Hogan not even opened. An empty Davin End behind the goals doesn't look great optically for what's supposed to be one of the biggest events of the year.

    Tickets were EUR 50, no match before it, just one game. Surely they could be cheaper ? People with only a passing interest in the sport will not pay that.

    Also the matches are scheduled in the evening, so can finish after the last train home departs leaving supporters high and dry with nowhere to stay. Especially considering games can have extra time and penalties now. Hotels expensive and anyways not available.

    You rule out the possibility of families with kids going. I have friends who actually live in Dublin, and couldn't go to Croker as it was too late. Never mind living in the likes of Clare or Kerry.

    My plan is

    1. Cheaper adult ticket prices
    2. Play all games in the afternoon, to open it up more to day trippers
    3. Consider free tickets for children, especially for games that won't sell out anyways (which is most games)
    4. Consider putting everything on Ticketmaster for everything except the All-Ireland final (appreciate finals will sell out and want to reward club members). Avoids the nonsense of the best seats being returned by clubs and left empty. Fine for maybe a county supporter's club to be involved, to sort out season ticket holders, but not every single club.

    Also, would it be too drastic to take the semi finals out of Croke Park ? Play it somewhere between the two competing counties, reducing cost and travel time.

    I genuinely think that when their is a great atmosphere at games, that feeds across to the players and leads to a better game. So also more enjoyable for the armchair TV viewer. A lot of the games played in an almost empty Croke Park this year have been poor spectacles.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,606 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I agree about the ticket prices. 50 should only be for good seats and the corner, end and top tier should not be 50. One interesting point though is the 35e hill did not sell out for the Limerick game so many able bodied people are happy to pay the 50 in a cost of living crisis and might suggest the demand isn't there.

    I wouldn't move the semis either. Last Sunday was one of the highlights of my year. Most GAA stadia are kips especially the supposed mecca of Thurles. Come to think of it maybe HQ need to look at improving the marquee grounds and not leave it up to CBs. Many Irish people who now to EPL and rugby and expect at least the correct amount of toilets (Thurles) and terraces not full of moss (Limerick)

    Are attendances poor is the other thing. We are talking about counties of 100/150k and asking them to fill 50/80k stadia. Obviously games per season is different but average attendance at SPL is 15k and Danish football league is 7k both of which have very similar populations.



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