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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭jmcc



    Perhaps they can't tax turf as easily as they can oil or gas?

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Does he realise that there's a war in the Ukraine and sanctions have caused massive increases in fuel prices. As an overpaid politician, that may not affect him but it is a very real problem for the electorate including those who voted FFG.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,169 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    But of course, actually I feel for those dependent on Kersosene this winter, currently 2.5 times the price it was in 2020.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,169 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    My Turf Stove is 90% efficient retains heat for hours, Central heating takes an hour to heat up and a few minutes to loose its affect when switched off.

    Can't beat the Turf for Heat and Stove to retain the heat, can't wait for October 🔥🔥🔥

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,169 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Apparently not, but fully aware of the Epic Virtue Signalling going on 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,425 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Emissions from open fires are far more deadly to people than from Home Heating Oil.

    I fully expect that the same politicians who are objecting to banning the sale of turf will be the first in twenty years to call for compensation for families who lost loved ones because the sale of turf wasn't banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    All politicians are paid the same. It's not a "very real problem". As I have shown it is a tiny problem in terms of the issues in Ireland. Blow it up all you want but the numbers don't lie. 4% is nothing

    :-)

    The only part which is not taxed on turf they are keeping, by allowing people to cut their own. The resale of turf will be banned so that's the bit that would be taxed. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,425 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Perhaps that's the reason why so many good republicans are up in arms about this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,169 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I don't use an open fire, infact anyone I know doesn't, I use an efficient Stove, very Dry Turf and most people I know use aga, solid fuel systems, also very efficient, infact, apart from initial lighting of fire, there's very little emmisions evident, folks have this impression of smoke bellowing out of rural homes, it is not the case.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭jmcc



    Once things move towards an "Us" (the electorate) and "Them" (the FFG politicians and their cronies) situation, it will be game over for FFG. It might have been the rising prices and inflation that caused the downfall of the FFG govermnet but it is looking like the mica and turf issues could be the triggers. It is no good when virtue signalling fools like Ryan waffle about "saving the planet" while people starve and freeze.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,425 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You can smell turf burning from a mile away, don't be trying to fool people.

    At least have some honesty about it, turf is a serious pollutant, dangerous to human health, but people want to keep using it for selfish financial reasons. We had the same sh!te from rural TDs when limits on drink driving were introduced with gombeens like the Healy-Raes crying in the Dail over the farmer who couldn't drive home after six pints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,929 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Everything in this country and indeed this thread is reactionary.

    There is little long-term thinking by those giving out about everything.

    We decry other countries like the US or Australia when there is a fossil fuel lobby yet here in Ireland there is a a reactionary populist rump that spout the same stuff, egged on by the opposition and their cheerleaders online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    How does turf add to air pollution? 

    When a solid fuel like turf is burned, it leaves behind some unburnt particles that exit the fireplace or stove either through the chimney or directly into the room. 

    This causes both indoor and outdoor particulate matter air pollution. These tiny particles remain suspended in the air and are breathed in by people.

    A good stove is 80% efficient which is a lot better than a fireplace which is just pushing all the heat out the flue but that doesn't mean it is clean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,929 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Listen to yourself

    "War on turf"

    How about just say we should keep burning fossil fuels and carbon-based fuels. How about you say "War on fossil fuels", or "War on coal"?

    Lobby your local TD with those tidbits JMCC


    Climate Change Denial is in full force here folks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,169 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I know and its fantastic, I've never denied there's emissions, of course there is, but Turf not the Dirtiest of solid fuels.

    I'd love to have, Solar, Heat Pump/ Air to heat Pump (although even that with electricity prices becoming unsustainable), I've said before I have Oil also but my word expensive.

    Ryans launched all sorts of Grants, Retrofitting and even with Grants I'd have to re mortgage my 200 year old cottage, I've invested heavily in insulation and whilst not ideal, Turf is and will remain my primary source of heating and I might had, I burn efficiently and not that much.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,929 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    And SF cannot bring about another MoC after the budget....

    Shooting themselves in the foot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    We should also still be allowed smoke in the pubs/restaurants as well if some people had their way.

    Im sure if that was up for debate now we would have the same posters arguing the smoking in pubs should be kept. It required someone like MM to introduce when the rest of the World said Ireland was mad. Look at it now? everyone else followed Ireland example. This is another situation when we should be out in front and banning turf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,929 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It's not I who thinks helping Ukraine is 'virtue-signalling'.

    ndeed the dog whistles and gaslighting about Ukrainian refugees here, online and by opposition politicians is a thundering disgrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,929 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    RTE this..

    RTE that..

    RTE blah blah..


    So it starts folks. The attack on the MSM by the opposition and its online cheerleaders.

    Right out of the Populist Right playbook created by Trump, UKIP, Putin and the Brexiters.... fine fine company you guys keep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭jmcc


    So it looks like the turf issue is going to keep causing problems for FFG. I wonder will it be discussed over FFG barbacues as they contemplate the losses of rural FFG seats? Whatever happened to Ryan's last great idea to reintroduce wolves to Ireland? The laughable thing is that FF/FG now have to defend a Green policy that is causing political climate change and swamping FF/FG TDs in a rising tide of SF votes. This is really making Charlie Flanagan's plan to commemorate the Black and Tans/RIC sound like a fart in a hurricane. And there's still the mica issue and a potential mica redress party.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Is that why are all of your posts consist of you pontificating upon and insulting the comments of others rather than engaging in discussion?

    Do you see how you are a major part of the problem you are complaining about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,929 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I remember you spouted this anti-science and anti-climate stuff before on another thread. You were taken to the cleaners then.

    Alas, here you are spouting the same stuff again without having learned your lesson.


    Central heating by oil doesn't take hours to heat up. That is just plain factual nonsense and rubbish.

    Truf is one of the worst forms of fuel used to heat your home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,425 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If Sinn Fein get swept to power on the back of promoting the sale of turf, this country is in a really bad place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,929 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    No one should be taking posting ettiqute lessons from you BB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    I was recently reading the book on Dublin from 1970 to 1990, and was interested to note that in the early 70s there was a move to electric and oil based central heating. However this went into reverse after the oil crisis and the government focused on solid fuel. This led to the smog issues in the 80s.

    Are we going to have to go back to solid fuel this winter if Putin turns off the gas taps? Could we even do so anymore - I don’t know if there is much coal exporting going on, and presumably many open fire places have been blocked up.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Does it matter? If they pass a budget they can defeat a MoC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    We should be massively investing now in wind/solar/hydro/wave etc to generate our own electricity. We should be working with companies now to get HVO mix approved and upgrading the boilers to take HVO if possible etc


    Not pi**ing around over turf, it’s laughable in 2022 and the amount of posts on this thread and others about turf while we have access to lots of alternatives taht will provide sustainable heat and energy to ireland.

    Coal is coming from Poland and it’s gone crazy money as well because of the shipping costs. Plus why invest in coal while you can invest in long term options



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    Agreed for the medium to long term, but there’s a real question about what happens this winter. If its a cold one (we’re probably due a cold snap) and there’s no gas there will be severe pressure to use whatever other fuel sources are available. Turf is a bit of a red-herring on a national scale but there could be a push to use coal as an emergency measure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭jmcc



    The problem is that apart from turf, Ireland has very little in the way of oil or gas. Smog was a serious problem in Dublin in the 1980s and 1970s but for many people, buring coal and turf was a cheap and effective way of heating their homes. There were, I think, Irish power stations buring coal as well as power stations buring turf. The hypocisy of intellectually challenged, virtue signalling, true believers waffling about how damaging burning turf is to the environment while China and India commission new coal burning power stations (they are much greater than Ireland's contribution to Global Warming and "Climate Change" (the climate on this planet is continually changing and has been since it was formed)) shows how completely ignorant those people are of reality.

    Mentioning nuclear power as possible alternative is enough to have these people foam at the mouth in rage. There was a proposal for a nuclear power station in Ireland in the 1970s (Carnsore?) but that didn't happen. The war in the Ukraine and the sanctions against Russia show how exposed Ireland is when it comes to fuel supplies but FFG has to appease the Greens. The Greens have them by the short and curlies.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,169 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Honestly fascinates me how some don't actually get politics or understand how it works in Ireland , particularly certain issues that may on the surface seem irrelevant or Trivial to them or the country as a whole. Look at the Mica crisis, I don't honestly know how many impacted but I'd say safe to say its a rural and quite localised issue and yet look how its impacted on this government.

    Turf may seem a trivial thing, perhaps if I was living in Dublin or another urban location, I'd not fully understand how important it is to Rural folk.

    I've learned something over 20 years living in Rural Ireland and that is this ,

    All politics is Local and never more so than now. Rural based Government TD'S are suddenly realising this. I'm actually not a fan of Parish pump politics if I'm being totally honest, but on this issue I'm impacted and will fight tooth a nail on the issue and make absolutely no apologies.

    No reasonable person dispute pollution Data but I'm afraid when folks have two immediate options, worry about the environment or Freeze for the winter, the choice is quite frankly not that difficult.

    This aside from those who'll struggle to afford to heat their homes this winter.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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