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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I didn't realise women are now a race. When did this happen?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,712 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    a threat that was never made, other than in the heads of some

    While the word "starve" wasn't used, the threatening rhetoric was quite clear. She warned of food shortages if the backstop wasn't scrapped and said the warning of "significant issues" should be used by Britain to force the EU's hand on a No Deal Brexit.

    Considering that food of all types is a significant import/export item with Europe and the UK, she knew damn well what the ramifications were of what she was suggesting.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The UK is a net importer of food and Patel is a woman of Bengali descent, two things which would deter almost anyone else in that position from coming out with such baleful stupidity.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,712 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I don't think stupidity was involved. She's just a thoroughly reprehensible bitch.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't understand why her background should inform her politics though?

    She is politically aligned to conservative values, and there's no rule book that says just because you're from immigrant descent (or that you are a woman) means you cannot have conservative views.

    If you take a look at Johnson's former cabinet, we had Rishi Sunak, Priti Patel, Sajid Javid, and Nadhim Zahawi. All from immigrant stock, but who identify as conservatives.

    The Labour front bench has never had this kind of diversity, actually.

    The Conservatives are the only ones with 2 female Prime Ministers. David Cameron introduced gay marriage. Boris Johnson outlawed gay conversion therapy.

    So this idea that conservatism is somehow backwards, not diverse, anti-progressive etc. is not a reflection of the modern day Conservative Party, which is about as diverse as you can find in the House of Commons.

    Speaking of women, Penny Mordaunt is the favorite among the youth wing of the Conservative Party, a poll finds. So perhaps the Conservative Party is looking at a third female prime minister.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    her grandparents were born in Gujarat (about 2000km from Bengal) and her parents born in Uganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,810 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Barely a week goes by in which you don't mention that gay marriage was passed under Cameron's government.

    Why do you never mention which party was in charge when homosexuality was decriminalised (to me that seems to be the ultimate biggie) or who brought in equalisation of the age of consent, or who repealed the hated Section 28?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    You have to look at her in full context. An inquiry found evidence of her bullying, she broke ministerial code, she consistently takes the authoritarian view on every subject. It appears she is more interested in power than serving the public. The fact that she wouldn't exist if her policies had existed when her parents immigrated to the UK just highlights the suspicion that she has no ideals whatsoever and stands for nothing beyond her own individual attainment of power and status. The latter is my opinion the former is fact.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It was passed due to ceaseless lobbying by Lib Dem MP Lynne Featherstone. Nick Clegg took it to Cameron and talked him into it. That user has lied and pretended that it was a Conservative initiative when it was nothing of the sort.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Even if that interpretation were true, it wouldn't change the fact that gay marriage was introduced by a Conservative government.

    The circumstances are irrelevant. What matters is that Cameron acted. From 2010, well before the coalition government formed, Cameron made a speech at the party conference saying that gay marriage should be passed. So your distorted interpretation can be put to bed right there.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    like I said earlier, there are plenty of reasons to dislike her, there is no reason to make stuff up

    She won't be PM, there isn't a cat in hell's chance. I would go as far as to say that this could be the end of her as a minister as she manages to **** up everything she touches and has now lost the protection of Johnson.



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    I'm struggling to think of that group, of who 64% were privately educated, as being particularly diverse. Only 6% of all children in Britain attend private schools.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I asked you to substantiate your fabrication before and you couldn't. I'll stick with the truth, thanks.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    For sure.

    Here is an extract from David Cameron's 2011 Conservative Party conference speech (2-years before gay marriage passed in the UK). Source: Pink News.

    I stood before a Conservative conference once and I said it shouldn’t matter whether commitment was between a man and a woman, a man and another man or a woman and a woman.

    You applauded me for that. Five years on, we’re consulting on legalising gay marriage.

    And to anyone who has reservations, I say this: Yes, it’s about equality, but it’s also about something else: commitment. Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other.

    So I don’t support gay marriage in spite of being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I am a Conservative.

    Now unless you're saying that David Cameron was lying in his keynote speech, then you have to accept he supported it publicly at least from 2011.

    In fact, Pink News issued David Cameron (not Nick Clegg) an LGBT award for introducing same-sex marriage, where he was honoured for being the "Ally of the Year".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,543 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    To be fair, it's only really a subsection of of Conservatives that are actually racist: about half the Brexit supporting wing of the party (the other's in favour of Leave are simply corrupt and knew they could make money out of damaging their country's future e.g. Rees-Mogg).

    Most Conservatives don't give a **** whether you're white, black, brown, gay, straight, trans, male or female: if you're rich or from a privileged background they represent you. If not, their non domiciled tax exile mates that own the majority of the British media will attempt to convince the underclasses that they do by playing off the prejudices decades of Tory rule have created by underfunding education and social welfare.

    It's one of the tragic ironies of our times that those most harmed by corrupt rulers seem to be the first in line to support them, whether that be Trump in the US, the current incarnation of the Torys in the UK or Putin in Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,589 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Boris should run for American President, he'd probably win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,660 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The Russian lads won't be losing a cabinet position they will be finding themselves positioned in a cabinet if they speak out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,589 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    All russians are cowards, from their people to their politicians. The weakest people on the planet. This is what the west needs to be saying over and over... maybe one day they'll rise up.



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They have said on here that they would happily see both changes being overturned, so don't expect an answer that has anything to do with the question.



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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bit early to be this pissed even for a Friday isn't it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭joseywhales




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    or the daughter of a nurse, or the son of a pakistani immigrant bus driver, obviously 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,712 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    🤣

    Wow. So much unmitigated ignorance in just a few sentences.

    Remarkable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    How can the Conservatives be racist when they have minority MP's in cabinet? How can the Conservatives be misogynistic when they had 2 female Prime Ministers? I think that is what you are getting at, right? Just because you are from a minority does not mean you cannot be racist. Do you agree with this statement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Was out last night with a Russian work colleague who just spent a couple of weeks in Moscow seeing family (via a somewhat circuitous route of course, including Turkey and various ‘Stans’). this is a pro-western individual, here for many years, with an Irish wife and young family. Not some Russia apologist, so I believe what he tells me.

    i asked him what the mood was in Moscow among young people. Are sanctions being felt, are people nervous, frustrated with the regime etc

    he told me that, yes there are many boarded up shop fronts where foreign stores used to be, but apart from that things are utterly normal. Says that the war has brought people together against the west in a way he has never seen before, including young people. There is a refreshed sense of Russian solidarity. The bars are full, everyone’s enjoying the summer in Gorky Park and the place is buzzing just like normal

    people are a little nervous about the winter - shortages, prices etc. But seemingly no more so than here and across the west

    I know myself, from my company, that a lot of people being reporting as leaving the country are doing so because their western companies are relocating them. Most of this is to Dubai, which seems like it’s turning into a mini Moscow right now. It’s corporate relocations, not a fleeing of young people from Putins Russia

    long story short, there is no material anti Putin sentiment among young people and moscovites. There is broad support for what is happening by people who do have access to non state media.

    my own personal experience is that my Russian friends (and I have visited Moscow and other places a few times) have gone very quiet. We used to have regular chats over Facebook and IG. They have definitely drawn back, which probably reflects what I have written above



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,774 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    He dumped his US citizenship to save on a tax bill, so he is no longer eligible



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Labour open up sizeable poll lead over ToriesAccording to average polling, Labour now has its largest poll lead over the Conservatives since January 2022 when the partygate scandal was gaining ground.

    With talk of a potential snap election, the Conservatives will have cause for hesitancy if this is how the numbers are looking - with Labour around 8% ahead according to Sky News' rolling average of the 10 latest major polls.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,660 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No surprise really. Look how loopy the Yanks went when they were at war (freedom fries, bash a Peugeot day). Themselves and the English were insufferable while their leaders were commiting war crimes in the 00s.



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