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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Some councillors cousin made a fine profit for digging a trench on that job 🙄

    It's a bit concerning when the charger itself is the second cheapest items in that project. I'm pretty sure a DC charger wouldn't have cost much more and would be many times more useful

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I can't think of a place that would be worse for a 200kW unit, the average stay is going to be around 2 hours. The ability to recharge around 100-150km is ideal in that case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,432 ✭✭✭markpb


    The old phrase: “never blame corruption when incompetence is far more likely” rings true here. It’s far more likely that the council didn’t know what to ask for or didn’t know what was value for money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Tends to be a mix of both IMO. Local councillors are often also local business leaders and may have interests in several local companies. They do however have decision making capabilities over where council finding goes, so it's quite easy for them to direct it towards areas where they have business interests

    Councils tend to just go with whatever supplier is closest/easiest and don't seem to have much expertise when it comes to procurement or good fiscal conduct


    And so out of that we get a €30k AC charger where the charger represents about 15% of the overall costs


    Also note there were no fees for consultancy or services listed, only physical work and hardware. I'd be surprised if Laois CC got away without a single consultant being hired

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Shur why would dey need a consultant?? Bobby Joe (who's cousin is on the council) has been driving one of dem Toyota hybrids the last 6 years, he's your consultant....... will do it for €2k..... (cheque please, cash even better)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,432 ✭✭✭markpb


    Are you sure about councillors having a say in where the money is spent? I’ve never personally come across a council contract where the elected councillors were involved at all, they’ve all been done by permanent staff. Perhaps the smaller councils are different though.

    What I do see in work is councils copying tenders issued by other, larger councils resulting in requirements that are beyond their actual or reasonable needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    They don't decide individual contracts but they do have a say in spending priorities and local area planning, for example if the CC will fund EV chargers or refurbishing playgrounds

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    The worry is that these pilot projects form the basis for the conclusions and the recommendations for all the LAs.

    The analysis shows that without funding support, the business case for slow on-street charge points is currently not viable. This is driven by low utilisation, particularly in the early years, which means the revenue is not sufficient to pay off the initial outlay. Under the conditions tested, none of the 7-22kW technologies pay back within 10 years.

    I find this an exaggeration. But anyway the consultants who did the Dublin EV strategy document, Element Energy, recommend rapid charging as priority

    Reasons below:

    •   Rapid hub charging is more compatible with shifting residents away from privately owned cars – slow-fast neighbourhood charging near drivers’ houses would make this more challenging

    •  Rapid hub charging is compatible with the operational requirements of sustainable vehicle models such as electric taxis and car clubs which align with modal shift ambition, public realm and long stay parking policies

    •   Rapid hub deployment offers a more cost-effective approach, with lower capital investment required per EV served (see section 4.4)

    • Rapid charging has a more attractive business case and is typically less dependent on public cc capital funding support (slow charging business case currently very challenging)

    • Fewer EVCP devices need to be installed in a rapid hub approach, and it avoids large volumes of infrastructure being deployed along residential streets / pavements

    • Rapid charging is a more mature and commercial technology option – the slow-fast neighbourhood charging market is still in development stage with several solutions involved in trial deployments




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    I was passing Donohue BMW/Skoda in Wexford this evening so said I'd pop in to see what sort of EV stock they had and was pleasantly surprised.

    1x 221 Mini Cooper - I assume it was a demo as no price displayed.

    1x 2020 i3 for €39K.

    1x 2021 iX for €94K.

    1x 222 Enyaq 80 (obviously waiting for collection)

    2x Non registered Enyaq in the showroom. No regs on them yet.

    1x Enyaq in the lot still in the plastics.


    I'm seen quite a few EVs around my small town now and more appearing every few days. There's a few Ioniq 5, the odd EV6, two Enyaq, loads of eNiro and Kona, a decent amount of ID3 and 10+ ID4. Also a few Audi's, an iX and an EQA. There's one Model 3 owned by a local but a grey one appears every few days. There's also a MG5 floating around. Lots of older Leafs but not many newer ones. I spotted a black Taycan today as well.

    Also on my way to work the last few mornings I've passed the same white Model Y on Ukrainian plates. Hopefully it's someone who's not been affected to much by the war.


    What are the rest of ye spotting around?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think AC is best used as a hook to bring in customers, like a hotel providing chargers for guests


    It can probably be profitable if done at scale, for example putting AC charging along a whole street. You'd minimise the cost of installation and give yourself a large base of chargers to sell kWh from

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I live near a similar size town to you in the same county. Like you I see the usual mix daily of Leafs new and old Hyundais Kias VWs etc. Dont see many Teslas though the mobile service guy told me there are at least ten in close proximity though he thinks I am the only new white model 3. Have seen a white X around and a few black S. and a red and black M 3

    Evs are certainly much more plentiful alright. Even in rural Ireland.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,829 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I used to post here years back on the same topic, I was in the Leaf and it was other Leafs and a few Ioniqs, now it's across the board, everything you just said and it's great to see so many preface Leafs still aplenty, come next Tesla delivery day I'd say a lot more Model 3s will be hitting the road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Folks would you consider €13K (asking so potential for a lower price) for a 2016 Zoe Dynamic a decent price?

    Thinking of trading down the ID3 first as we've the Ioniq 5 now and I only use the ID3 for short trips around town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,108 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Assuming it's battery owned, and even then its probably a little overpriced. Zoe is a great second car, but I'd suggest getting the battery owned version and the 40kWh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Apparently it is battery owned and 40KW but I've not had a chance to look at it in person yet.

    I owe about 20K on the ID3 and repayments are no issue so keeping that is also an option but the car is probably wasted at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,108 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I hear ya, we have a model X and the range on our second EV Ioniq 28 is being wasted so I'm considering trading down. We own the ioniq outright so perhaps that makes it easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    It's just the price of older EVs are ridiculous so you're overpaying for what you're getting.

    I'll have a look at the Zoe over the weekend and see what they say. If the deal works then I'll go for it I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭UID0


    The 41 kWh was only launched in October 2016 and was only available RHD from 2017 (UK deliveries started around March 2017 and Irish deliveries April/May).

    Check with Renault to make sure it isn't battery leased or that the lease has been bought out. If the lease has to be bought out, get a quote from Renault for that, and demand a reduction of at least that amount from the asking price.

    Determining a decent price is difficult as there are so few available for purchase and demand is high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,774 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Surely "model 3" sounds more like "model T" no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,113 ✭✭✭wassie


    Ford had "Model E" trademarked and sought to protect its trademark against Tesla's use back in 2014, even though they had no use for it at that time.

    However, earlier this year Ford in the US annouced a restructure whereby "Model e" is the name of their new EV division. Ford Blue is their ICE manufacturing division and Ford Pro is the existing commercial division for sales and distribution.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Folks;

    For anyone hymning and hawing about ordering a car with an expected delivery date some time in 2023, there's a whole lot of folks that ordered Teslas over the last month or so and are being told to plan for delivery at the end of August (after the Tesla website initially suggested delivery in Q1 or Q2 2023....), and some of us are turning this offer down, holding out for a 2023 car......


    So if you ordered a new Tesla now, there's a good chance you could be driving it in 7-8 weeks.......



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It's funny, Ford has sold a Model S, a Model Y in the past but never a Model E. I think Tesla were a bit cheeky using the "Model ?" naming convention as that's something that will always be associated with Ford due to the Model T. They originally filed the Model E trademark for electric vehicle use in 2003 listing

    Vehicles, namely, electrically-powered boats and recreational jet boats, and electrically-powered land vehicles in the form of cars, carts, scooters, mopeds, mini-bikes, motorcycles, camera cars for film production, all terrain vehicles, sport utility vehicles, trucks, travel trailers, buses, vans, bicycles and go carts




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Was it a deliberate attempt to emulate Ford? Ford effectively defined a generation of cars with the Model T, Tesla did the same in many ways with the Model S

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Ah I just ordered a poverty spec RWD, mainly as a speculative measure in case of a price increase….. I’ll see where I am in January and if it’s worth upgrading to what is essentially a very different car to my 2020 SR+



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,194 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    swings and roundabouts. I’m sure you’ll get a premium selling the ID3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I do worry too that local authorities see EV chargers as a burden they don't want to have, and the numbers game they don't want to own. I wonder would it be viable to roll out a whole street of on street chargers in town centres in Dublin. As in could they give an exclusive deal to a commercial company to say roll out 10 chargers (5 posts) next to each other in prime locations. The tender would need to include exclusive EV parking, pay parking could be factored into charging cost or separate, and if every town in Dublin had an exclusive contract for say 5 years, it might be viable. Take Bray for example 2 X double heads on seafront 4 cars can charge) next to seafront 2 other posts, so in Bray alone 8 cars can AC charge all within walking distance of seafront and main Street. It's also close to dart station. These are all ESB units with free parking for EVs actively charging. Sometimes all of these 8 are in use at the weekends. Why not replicate the set up in every Dublin "town" or village. If it's not viable then give more incentives, but a large tender for say 10 town locations where 8 cars could charge would be a big start. I am worried about council's attempting to roll out DC chargers as in the UK and Germany they have tended to be very single unit and often broken for long periods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭beardo81


    Enjoy this guy's stuff and his Mrs is gas when she appears.

    Long video but really enjoyable



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Can’t beat a good bit of American lunacy. A bill going through North Carolina to scrap free public charge points unless free gas pumps are installed alongside them.


    https://www.teslarati.com/north-carolina-spend-50k-trash-free-eve-chargers/



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