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Sophie: A Murder in West Cork - Netflix.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Winter - cold conditions - would preserve evidence.

    Either way, remarkable luck. Or awareness.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Regarding the Italian lady - I remember reading that the Gardai did speak to her after the murder and she reported that there was nothing unusual in the Thomas/Bailey household that Christmas in 1995. It's bizarre that she remembers such important info re the chief murder suspect years and years later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    All this talk about dna and the block seems fantastical

    I'd say it's a red herring



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And suppose, if the DNA report clears Bailey, would the discussion still go on, that it was Bailey?

    if it implicates bailey he will say it's a stitch up



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Some of these new techniques are very sensitive. Open to contamination from touch transfer DNA.

    I would wonder how sterile sets of evidence collected / stored since mid 90s by AGS might be.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭tibruit


    God yeah....nothing worse than bleach stained clothes....well blood stained is worse. But anyway, what would you do with them when you destroy them with bleach? Sure they`d only be fit for burning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    My 2c is bailey got away with it and he's enjoying it

    A double boost if you like

    Could be wrong but that was my take on it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Evergreen_7


    I think the only person who said she had mental health problems (which is neither a crime nor discredits her, although I think this “evidence” is sketchy too) was Ian Bailey on an indo podcast a day or two ago.

    like he’s got room to judge anyone ffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ah do think about that. Why bother bleaching them if you were gonna burn them anyway.

    Or somehow have a two virtually identical winter coats.

    Or somehow if you are AGS deny you took a coat into evidence even though you did.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,352 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Jim Sheridan makes this claim about stabbing. On what basis? The post mortem showed no evidence of this. The Italian student may have been fearful of Bailey and may have witnessed his abusive behaviour toward Jules or been told about this by the daughter (her friend) so she may have thought it better not to say anything at the time. If she has been living in the USA ever since the subject might not have entered her head again until the publicity surrounding the Netflix and Sheridan documentaries. I think it's unfair to dismiss her as some kind of fruitcake.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    the person i was responding to said

    "This woman is known to have a number of psychological issues,"

    "Well, Ive heard numerous reports about her but I think the simple fact that she stayed with the so called murderer of the most high profile crime this country has ever seen & then decided to keep a key piece of evidence to herself for what, 20 years doesnt say alot about her mental health"

    "Ms Borina's statement is nothing new and lacks any real credibility."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Evergreen_7




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭nc6000


    So his coat had metal buttons? I've had a few overcoats in my time and I don't think any of them ever had metal buttons or the type of buttons which would survive a fire.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't know, the forensic man said he found buttons.I would accept that. i assume plastic buttons or parts of them would survive a fire, they are small and might fall underneath. But i don't know only he said he found buttons. not everything gets destroyed in a fire parts of things can survive. That's why they do forensics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Garlinge


    Some buttons have metal core that is covered with fabric? I think Bailey was in the habit of picking up clothing in charity shops. More than likely that he had a spare coat if he had spotted a bargain in his size ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭tibruit


    Thought about it long ago. The bleach would have been the initial plan. It wouldn`t have went as well as expected as Mr Crimeguy succinctly suggests so the only out becomes a good old bonfire. Two similar coats is perfectly possible. But then if he did go over there, who says he was wearing the long dark coat at all? Oh yeah....crazy Marie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ian? I dont think they were the kind of bargains he was on the hunt for if he had spare cash. Seemed more of a live in the moment kinda guy.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And what else could the buttons have come from.

    I would like to see the specific quote on what was found. In the online chinese whispers... Buttons becomes buttons that could be from a coat and ends up as coat buttons.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Doesn't DNA evidence fade as well? Not certain, about that one. It's also possible that this particular block contains DNA of every Guard handling the matter, - apparently they were not that competent back then as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I think you could be right on both counts. There is a very real chance evidence which could have been gathered thru the latest tech has been destroyed or compromised through poor storage and elapsed time

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    In the end, somebody must have placed that block there, prior to the murder. It could have been anybody, a construction worker, a local farmer, but let's say it was Alfie just for the exercise, then his DNA may be on the block? But that doesn't prove that he was the killer, nor the construction worker or the farmer.... Anybody's DNA could have been on the block just by placing it there or even using that block to keep the gate open.....

    People moved away, some passed away, memories fade away. It's hard after so many years, to remember even a Ford car speeding away from the scene.

    Alfie died, Shirley lives in England? The former British soldier died as well. A German musician committed suicide. The Guard from Bantry died as well. Jules still around? What about the Richardsons? Ungerer died as well, the children run the show these days?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Polly701


    Who is the 'former British soldier'?

    I don't think Bailey did it. For such a small place there were a lot of 'strange people' in the area at the time. Many of whom have gone under the radar as there was such intense focus on Bailey.

    There were 2 other young men staying in the Thomas house on the night in question...neither of them noticed the bloody clothes soaking in the bucket (as described by the Italian lady). It seems crazy to think that the overcoat of a man of Bailey's height would even fit into a bucket? And Bailey was clearly seen wearing his long black coat on a video of a Christmas Day swim in Schull two days later.

    On the day of her murder Sophie had called to her friends , the Ungerers, and had seem 'spooked'...I think there was something going on in her life that we don't know anything about. Her ex boyfriend (Carbonnet?) had previously assaulted her and her husband Daniel did not even bother to make the trip to Ireland at the time of the murder...these 2 are far more likely suspects to my mind than Bailey. There are other plausible suspects too...it is a fascinating case - I welcome the review and would love closure for her family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The "former British soldier" was Martin Graham. I think he passed away as well by now. The police offered him money, clothes, and even drugs to try to get close to Bailey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Probabilities are multiplicative, not additive. therefore 30% X 25% X 25% = 1.875% Less than 1 in 50.

    That's before we even start on the entire 'logic' of your argument and where you pulled the percentages from.

    If I have 100 people who think there's a 1% chance a horse will win a race does that make it 100% certain the horse will win?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    When in this investigation are DNA results from this M-Vac test expected?

    How long does it usually take to get DNA results with M-Vac?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I would like to see the specific quote on what was found

    Then do your research as i did. in netflix doc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Just because something is mentioned in a documentary, that's not an original source.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    The Gard interviewed in West Cork podcast explained how they searched the remains of the fire with a spoon,

    They found among other things, lace eyelets from boots and "clothing buttons", no mention of overcoat or whether buttons were plastic or metal.

    Buttons need not necessarily come from clothing.

    If you would like to see the quote it's in podcast someplace.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    it was the detective who went through the fire who said itso it is an original source.



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