the person i was responding to said
"This woman is known to have a number of psychological issues,"
"Well, Ive heard numerous reports about her but I think the simple fact that she stayed with the so called murderer of the most high profile crime this country has ever seen & then decided to keep a key piece of evidence to herself for what, 20 years doesnt say alot about her mental health"
"Ms Borina's statement is nothing new and lacks any real credibility."
Jim Sheridan makes this claim about stabbing. On what basis? The post mortem showed no evidence of this. The Italian student may have been fearful of Bailey and may have witnessed his abusive behaviour toward Jules or been told about this by the daughter (her friend) so she may have thought it better not to say anything at the time. If she has been living in the USA ever since the subject might not have entered her head again until the publicity surrounding the Netflix and Sheridan documentaries. I think it's unfair to dismiss her as some kind of fruitcake.
Ah do think about that. Why bother bleaching them if you were gonna burn them anyway.
Or somehow have a two virtually identical winter coats.
Or somehow if you are AGS deny you took a coat into evidence even though you did.
I think the only person who said she had mental health problems (which is neither a crime nor discredits her, although I think this “evidence” is sketchy too) was Ian Bailey on an indo podcast a day or two ago.
like he’s got room to judge anyone ffs
My 2c is bailey got away with it and he's enjoying it
A double boost if you like
Could be wrong but that was my take on it
God yeah....nothing worse than bleach stained clothes....well blood stained is worse. But anyway, what would you do with them when you destroy them with bleach? Sure they`d only be fit for burning.
Some of these new techniques are very sensitive. Open to contamination from touch transfer DNA.
I would wonder how sterile sets of evidence collected / stored since mid 90s by AGS might be.
And suppose, if the DNA report clears Bailey, would the discussion still go on, that it was Bailey?
if it implicates bailey he will say it's a stitch up
where did you read it?
All this talk about dna and the block seems fantastical
I'd say it's a red herring
Regarding the Italian lady - I remember reading that the Gardai did speak to her after the murder and she reported that there was nothing unusual in the Thomas/Bailey household that Christmas in 1995. It's bizarre that she remembers such important info re the chief murder suspect years and years later.
Winter - cold conditions - would preserve evidence.
Either way, remarkable luck. Or awareness.
Please read back what you are posting before pressing the send button..
you should do that too.....
Are you telling me, that the student that witnessed a bath full of blood soaked clothes, didn't report it?????
.....because i did not tell you anything
I don't know how long before she was interviewed . maybe she assumed they would know. And it wasn't a bathful it was a coat in a "large bucket in the shower" she says. maybe watc the doc again
maybe she was in italy and not keeping up with reports
Maybe read back on what you are posting before hitting the post comment button
Due to the way the original Gardai investigation played out, I can assure you, the cold case review team will be very aware of the quality of witness that they present to the court
you cannot assure me of anything you are just engaging in pro bailey speculating
I think at this point, it's very hard as this case is so old. We all only have impressions, faded memories at best, of what we've read in the media or possibly seen. Each and everyone of us has an opinion and a theory and a reason behind it, - but again that's based on what we've read or heard or seen on TV way over 20 years ago, nearing 30 years.....
All we need to do, is wait for the DNA report. Does anybody know when this is to be expected?
It was winter and the gardai and pathologist messed up
I find it remarkable if it was committed in such a temper by an amatuer, and so we assume without pre-meditation or preparation, that they left no forensics at such a brutal crime scene.
I don't want to give you, or anybody else a hard time here...
She was waiting years for the Gardai to call around to interview her??
It never crossed her mind, that it was a tad peculiar that bloodied clothes had shown up practically next door to a major bloody murder scene??
What was she studying? The art of stupidity?
If her IQ is at the level that you are suggesting... Then she would be shredded, and I mean absolutely shredded in the witness box.
Due to the way the original Gardai investigation played out, I can assure you, the cold case review team will be very aware of the quality of witness that they present to the court (should they go to trial). After the circus with Maria Farrell, there's not a hope in hell they'd pin their hopes of a conviction on a student that had a brain fart 25 years after the event...
I don't know who murdered Sophie... Whoever it was, and if they are still alive, should be thrown to the wolves. Just make sure it's the right person.
Make sure the guilty person pays for the barbaric crime they committed, and not some sacrificial offering to appease a foreign nation.
Has the time of death ever been established
Seemed to be a lot of disagreement here
My earlier post on percentages may have been slightly off the wall .My point being that we don't know much so it's all surmise
The facts of the death can lead us to draw some conclusions such as hitman is unlikely and it was probably a local that had an interest and a temper
seemingly sheridan said about knife on radio. knifed and choked actually. it's on the AH Sophie thread. i wouldn't pay much attention to sheridan but it may have been held back as something only the killer would know as the gardai sometimes do
its much more likely to be found than if it was burnt desroyed. More logical to destroy . I agree why would they leave it in the shower area. Maybe not thinking straight
Im sure forensics can tell what buttons they are. "Coat buttons, jeans and boots" he says in Netflix doc
Don't see anything unusual about having two similar coats
What would a person do in this situation - it wouldn't make sense to soak a coat in your home when 5 other people are in the house. I also wouldn't burn it and risk being caught . The most logical thing to do would be to dump the coat/clothing somewhere that it wouldn't be found.
Really? That doesn't sound very forensic to me. How can you tell they are specifically "coat" buttons?
Bit of a stretch... How many people have 2 such similar coats? I have a range of coats for the year. I don't have two similar winter coats for obvious reasons.
She almost certainly wasn`t killed with a knife and nobody has confirmed this.
I would question whether this supposed new evidence is coming from the Italian girl. Bailey appears to have said this but he is probably speculating.
Bailey could have had two coats, one which was the one in the bucket and subsequently burned and one taken by gardai. the forensic policeman says they found coat buttons in the garden fire remains
This blog post sums up the ridiculousness of the whole coat \ bleach \ blood angle \ burning evidence.
All the observations about buying bleach at the creamery on Christmas Eve are also therefore irrelevant. Bleach damages clothing if it is used undiluted. It also has a distinctive smell. Witnesses who saw clothes soaking at the Prairie never mention the trademark stink of bleach in the air. And of course, if bleach is diluted, it is less effective. In a mad panic, desperate to dispose of evidence, you would not wait 24 hours and you would not experiment with different concentrations of bleach, would you? You would use as much of it as you could lay your hands on, as quickly as possible. A litre or two will not fill a bath or even a small bucket. Bleach stains dark clothing.
Other testimony supporting the fact that the coat was never soiled or burned? Garda Kevin Kelleher saw Ian Bailey carrying a bottle of wine in the small hours of New Year's Eve, 31st December 1996. At that time, Bailey was wearing the coat again.
She said it was years before the gardai first interviewed her.i just watched her on Netflix doc again she says she was interviewed "years after the fact" I don't know how many years and now they have approached her again. She is in the USA now but i Ddon't know where she was when the gardai first interviewed her. Italy mabe?
@flanna01 it is as believable as those convenient French witnesses who remembered after years and years that Sophie had mentioned meeting someone like Ian \ Eoin \ poet. Because you knew Sophie, she was murdered, and you didn't remember it when someone an Ian \ Eoin \ poet was charged with her murder. Nope. You remembered it with the French authorities needed you to remember it.
If you believe this guff you probably answer a lot of emails from Nigerian princes.
This is why I think Bailey is innocent. Two countries have tried to pin it on him with utterly dishonest policing and judicial practices, and the evidence is still threadbare.
Regardless of this girls mental condition, one question still blatantly presents itself...
Why is she only bringing this information to the table now?
Back in the day, this was the most high profile murder in the country.. The whole country was shocked and outraged by it.
The very fact, that this poor woman had been bludgeoned to death by a concrete block was horrific. The gruesome reporting of her face being smashed to a pulp was sobering as much as it was shocking. Everybody, and I mean the entire nation, was shell shocked that such a barbaric act had taken place in rural Ireland.
Yet.... We are to believe that a student living within the vicinity of the murder, witnessed either a bath or a bucket being used to soak blood splattered clothing...???
Furthermore, we are being asked to believe that even after Ian Bailey had become the prime Suspect in the murder, the student didn't feel the need to disclose the blood splattered clothes soaking in the bath / bucket to the Gards???
In fact, she didn't feel the need to disclose for another 25yrs afterwards...??
I find this utterly impossible to believe... It's beyond any logical thinking.
It's as unbelievable as the murderer returning to the family home, taking his blood soaked clothes off, and....... well soaking them in the bath for all the family (and guests) to see....
So, on the day Sophie's battered and bloodied body was discovered, the radio and television news stations were running with the story non stop. There was Gards everywhere, it was the only show in town..
Yet..... Nobody from the Jules Thomas residence thought if was strange that there was a bath full of bloodied clothes soaking upstairs that had mysteriously appeared after a local murder had been committed......?
C'mon..... Let's be realisic for a minute. A witness couldn't join the dots 25yrs ago, but then gets a eureka moment and thinks some blood splattered clothes soaking in the bath may be relevant afterall...
Cry me a river............!
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