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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There is no risk of food shortages in Ireland due to green policies, there is a risk of food shortages globally due to climate change, but even still, Ireland has much greater purchasing power than the developing world so we'll be fine

    There has never been a single power cut due to renewable energy in Ireland and there not a significant risk of one happening any time soon, however, there was a power cut yesterday in Limerick due to poorly maintained Electricity infrastructure. We need huge investment in our grid, and doing this is also a requirement to move to renewable energy

    Wind power generation in Ireland is curtailed by our grid being not fit for purpose. If you genuinely are worried about power cuts, you should be demanding investment in modernising the grid, building the interconnectors and updating the grid services to modern systems suitable for a distributed supply and storage.

    So you are basically advocating for Ireland, a country that has effectively zero risk of food shortages adding to the risks of famine in developing countries through not playing our part in emissions reduction.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If they shut off our gas, we can shut of their food or pharmaceutical products.... in the world of future unlikely scenarios we are not completely defenceless.

    The other, more likely scenario, is that gas prices would go up, and we'd have to pay a lot more for the same supply. but given that our plan is to reduce our gas imports year on year and move to cheaper renewable energy every year the Tories don't full economic warriors the risk to Ireland is reduced

    There is also the extremely likely scenario that the Tories will be voted out of power in the next election between now and 2025 and the Lib Dem Labour coalition will be seeking closer relationships with the EU, in which case this issue won't arise until 2030. If we are concerned about this risk post 2030, we can speed up investment in our grid and renewable infrastructure and increase the capacity of current and future interconnectors.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Again incorrect. It was you who mentioned animal rights in reference to hundreds of thousand of live calves being exported to Libya and Kazakhstan. Last year we exported 246,877 of live cattle, of which just over 50% were calves. Of that 246,887 exports to Libya were 6487 (2.6%) and Kazakhstan 500 (0.2%).

    What I do have a problem with is Irish greens and the E.U. supposedly being concerned with global emissions and imposing regulations on how our cattle are reared due to public health concerns engaging in "don`t look over there" when it comes to comparisons.

    The E.U. imports the equivalent of 40% of what we export to the E.U. from Brazil but both the E.U. and Irish greens have no problem with an area the size of Wales being annually burned to fed these cattle, them having the same methane emissions as Irish cattle and then being shipped half way around the world. When it comes to food safety and public health concerns we have one of the strictest veterinary controls in the world where each animal is traceable to the farm it was raised on showing a full list of any medication administered in it`s lifetime. Brazil, no such standards, where even cattle are moved from areas where foot and mouth disease are prevalent to areas which are supposedly clear before slaughter to mask where the actually were reared.

    Similar to China`s emissions, it is nothing but gross hypocrisy by greens in the pursuit of an ideology with neither sense nor foresight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,353 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    You brought it up first, see this post - https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119296190/#Comment_119296190

    Our vet standards aren't much good to the 246,877 live cattle that are exported really are they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Well that's for NL and Belgium to worry about I suppose. And the Norway issue has already been resolved. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/norwegian-oil-gas-workers-start-strike-cutting-output-2022-07-04/

    See you can negotiate with striking workers, but you cannot negotiate with climate change. The physical damage we are doing now is irreversible and we are locking in negative consequences that our children will still have to suffer long past our lifetime

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Stuff isn't too cheap, but standards are too low and regulations are too lax allowing manufacturers to produce goods that are obsolete and get thrown away after limited use.

    The EU is slowly bringing in higher quality standards and things like the right to repair. These will make an impact although i doubt the regs will be tough enough

    The same should be done on importing goods from countries who are not doing enough to combat climate change

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You`re worried as a green supporter about the welfare of our live exports, that you believe are raised by intensive farming, (their not), where 96.8% of those cattle go to other European cattle, yet you have no problem with China supplying Europe with green tech produced using slave labour and coal as an energy source, or Europe importing the equivalent of 40% of the beef we supply while burning down the Amazon to do so, then shipping that beef that has either no traceability or often very dodgy veterinary verification half way around the world.

    As a green supporter a very incongruous mindset that unfortunately is not unique to you, but good to know all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,353 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    When did I ever mention anything about importing tech from China?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    So you believe that if the U.K. is short on gas it will only shut supply to the Netherlands and Belgium and not do the same for the Moffat lines into the Republic. Is that based on anything, or is it just a continuation of our Green Party policy on energy security of crossing fingers and hoping for the best ?

    Of course you can negotiate with strike workers, but the speed at which the vast supply of our gas could have been cut off is a reminder of just how precarious our energy security is. Negotiating with the U.K. though is a completely different ball game where energy security is concerned as the NI protocol has shown.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    One of the biggest problems with climate change is the 'Free Rider' problem. We need to reduce our own emissions so that we are carbon neutral, but we also need to ensure that our supply chain is not full of imports from countries with a high per capita emissions rate than the EU

    This requires trade policies and the EU can do this on the basis that the EU are world leaders on standards. Ireland will be held responsible for reducing our CO2 emissions in line with our commitments. This is why we to do more now so we're not faced with cliff edge emissions cuts as deadlines loom

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    What's that supposed to mean?

    There was an IQ2 debate a few days ago where they asked 'Can Humans adapt to climate change' and the Pro- side said yeah humans can adapt by migrating.

    That was their only real solution. This represents abandoned cities and mass movement of populations as areas become uninhabitable due to water shortages, rising temperatures and rising oceans

    The only people advocating destroying villages are those who don't want to spend money now to mitigate climate change and think we can pollute as normal and just adapt to the consequences

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭charlie14



    We are buying green tech from China that is produced primarily by coal burning plants. A policy where China is building more coal burning plants to fulfill the demand. We are importing beef from Brazil where an area the size of Wales is annually burned to raise this beef before it is then shipped half way around the world.

    It`s two cheeks of the same arse, so where is the difference in the supposed E.U. and green policy on global climate ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Undercover state security causing trouble at the Dutch farmers protest and being driven back.



    Dutch farmers – who sit as the second-largest agricultural exporter in the world and largest meat exporter in Europe – have brought the Netherlands to a standstill, protesting against Climate Change regulations.


    The newly elected government has set up a 55-60 per cent emissions goal by 2030, 70 per cent by 2035, and 80 per cent at 2040. To meet these arbitrary climate targets, they have created a self-inflicted disaster that will see the government drag its agricultural sector up the temple stairs, tear it to bits, and let whatever bloody stumps are left to tumble down the steps for the pleasure of the United Nations climate gods.

    source


    Seems to be a coincidence as the crazies in government are intentionally putting farms out of business that lobby groups are using the EU to promote insects as the alternative "novel" or "innovative" food for us plebeians. . . .


    The cost of energy is impacting vegetable and fruit production.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Whereas green policy is that we should flush our economy, including our agriculture sector, down the toilet as an example to others who are the largest planet polluters and who like Japan have shown that when it comes to driving their economies by means cheap energy sources could care less if they tried.

    When it comes to climate change we may all be in this together. When it comes to doing something about it, demonstrably not so. It`s looking increasingly where we are concerned, more a case of the road to hell being littered with good intentions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Marcos


    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Investing in our grid and energy infrastructure will actually provide an economic stimulus, and we've known since Stern that the costs of inaction are significantly more expensive than the costs of mitigation

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its not about what I believe, the plan you linked to doesn't mention Ireland at all

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I didn`t link to any plan of the U.K. emergency measures to cut gas to the Netherlands and Belgium, but surely you are not that naive to believe that the U.K. would waste a seconds worry on doing the same with the Moffat lines to the Republic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It will in your eye. It would provide a few temporary jobs but would do sweetfa for our agricultural sector, our exports or the cost of living

    What would possibly help both is a scrapping of the green back marginal pricing policy if renewable energy supply is as cheap, (as we have certainly seen no proof of it) as we are being lead to believe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    We can only hope, but it does look as if there is nothing better than a crisis to concentrate minds.

    Hopefully the next step will be to do the same with the green driven E.U. marginal pricing policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,097 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,301 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Why are RTE News not reporting any of the massive farmers uprising against new green measures in The Netherlands?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    I sent Rte news an email earlier asking them that exact question.

    “Is there a reason (other than you have been ordered not to by your agenda led reporting) why nowhere on your website or main RTE news is it reported that Dutch farmers protesting despicable 30% slaughter of their livestock were shot at by their own police force earlier today ? 

    How can RTE possibly be considered an honest and unbiased broadcasting organisation? “



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Our national broadcaster RTE had it`s knuckles rapped and was brought into line a year ago by the green lobby and I dare say our Minister for the Environment Climate and Communications.

    Only dire warnings and green fluff pieces have been the order of the day since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Is there any one that can produce the volume, quality and at such low emission as European agriculture.


    That is mostly down to soil quality and climate.


    In most of Asia and Africa, above Uganda, crops only yield and grow with incredible use and abuse of Fertilizer. At rates that a European farmer couldn't even imagine. Th



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    RTE is entirely dependent for survival on the government who divert money from both taxpayers and ECB subsidised borrowing.

    RTE is solely answerable to their one shareholder, the Minister for the Environment, Climate, Communications and Transport. one Eamon Ryan of the Green Party.

    RTE are not going to rock the boat when the Government is setting sectoral targets under Climate Action Plan by the end of July.

    Under the Climate Action Plan, agriculture is required to cut emissions by between 22% to 30% by 2030.

    A matter of minutes later, during an address to the same audience, Teagasc Director Professor Frank O’Meara said that with current technologies available, agriculture will struggle to meet its target, even if it is set at the lower end of the scale at 22%.

    “The Minister is going to have to go into the Dáil every year and account for the target so that is a new reality for us,” Prof O’Meara continued.


    You must realise by now that the media in Ireland is entirely controlled by the establishment in Ireland, it is a mouth piece for various special interests ranging from the non-government organisation charity industrial complex, to the lobby groups for random energy hand outs (Irish wind energy Association, Irish Solar Energy Association), the Universities are on the Climate gravy train. Irish government ministers are not about to step away from the money trough that is promised in the EUs Green new deal. There are so many press releases from the Green industrial complex that several lazy Irish churnalists have branded themselves as environmental correspondents (i.e. re-typing press releases).


    There is very little critical about the green agenda in Irelands media, gript.ie are the only media organisation to challenge the greenwashing. That's not to say there are not alarm bells beginning to go off, the Business Post has been sounding the alarm about the pending crisis in electricity production in Ireland, on the flip side the business post has also given John Gibbons some column inches. The commissioner for regulation of utilities (CRU) has also been warning of the pending problems for electricity generation.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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