Summer transfer thread 2022

LineOfBeauty · 05-07-2022 01:40PM

Really odd window so far from Man Utd. They've let a higher calibre of player leave the club than what they've brought in so far. All the incoming players seem to have to be linked to Dutch football (Athletic Bilbao and Basque players style) and they're in a saga in which their best player also wants out. I thought the Ten Haag experiment was doomed from the outset but he's been given a pretty awful hand from the get go.

05-07-2022 01:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293551#Comment_119293551

What is the ten hag "experiment" why is it and experiment not just apointung a manager, why do you think it's doomed?

All the players united have let go weren't starters and all out of contract anyways. Also the transfer window is barely open so odd to be criticising the quality brought in as of yet.

LineOfBeauty · 05-07-2022 01:58PM

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I'd call it an experiment in that it's a guy with no head coach experience in Europe's top 5 leagues. With no connection to Man Utd. Who they seem willing to try out long term (ala Klopp at Liverpool or Pep at Man City) with a bedding in period and they seem willing to give him a say on transfers too. I'd say for Man Utd all of these things are unusual (that last one post Ferguson).

Perhaps not all were but still some of them were high calibre players. And the window is young but who are Man Utd being linked with that is a game-chanigng acqusition? Other rival clubs have already done big business. Personally I just don't think losing Pogba and maybe Ronaldo and gaining Eriksen, Malacia and maybe De Jong (?) quite cuts mustard for me.

05-07-2022 02:38PM

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who better was available at the time of appointing him, experience in Europe's top 5 leagues is very arbitrary, would managing a few relegation teams in those leagues be better then managing in ajax, why would a manager need connection to a club, pep certainly had none to city he might not even have know it existed before the takeover.

Ive no idea what you mean out long term tbh he has a 3 year contract and it takes time to embed any system for any manager, there is very little in common between any of uniteds last 5 or so managers so there is certainly no mould that they are now going against.

Given Woodward was meant to be calling the shots on transfers in his time and united seem to have at best a disorganized scouting department, then for at least a year id be happy for the manager to make the calls on players while things hopefully start getting modernized in that area.

Well you said left already and the only one is pogba who most would agree has been well shown up at this stage as being vastly over rated, he hasnt kicked a ball since the last world cup really, there is a reason he is joining the 4th best team in the weakest of the 5 top leagues, we are probably promoting garner this year so it'll probably be him or Mct who take Pogbas place on the bench.

As for the rest ill wait and see what the transfers window brings but if the manager is happy and wants the players then so am i until the season starts at least.

LineOfBeauty · 05-07-2022 02:54PM

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No idea, but I'm simply saying that having neither any experience in Europe's top 5 leagues or any connection to the club is a diversion of what Man Utd have done post Ferguson where it's been star name coaches (Mourinho, LVG) or coaches connected to the club (Ole, Giggs, Carrick and Moyes who was reccomended by the club's best ever coach to be his replacement).

He's being brought in to be a project manager. You know when you get a Mourinho it's a short term thing with the hope being that short term is filled with trophies til it inevitably goes sour. When you give a coach such a say in the transfers as ten Hag seems to be getting then I'd say ye they are looking to build something with him at the forefront of it. Not being harsh or anything but they're hardly hiring him for his trophy haul thus far in his career.

Ah right, Garner to replace Paul Pogba. That's fine so.

I guess it really depends on expectations doesn't it? If Garner for Pogba is good enough for Man Utd then I suppose maybe we are not on the same p[age as to what Man Utd are, or should, be aiming for. If potentially getting 4th place is considered a success then maybe Garner for Pogba is good enough, maybe Eriksen coming in but Ronaldo going out cuts it, or maybe that doesn't even cut it anymore for top 4, who knows?

Mitch Connor · 05-07-2022 03:03PM

United certainy need more transfers in. No UNited fan would argue against that.

FDJ, if they can pull it off, will be a huge signing, imo. If they don't pull it off I am fearful as it feels like all the eggs are in that basket.

IMO the priorities should have been CM, DM, RB, RW - followed by ST, CB, GK.

As it stands, we have got an LB, and maybe are closer than close to closing in on maybe signing FDJ, and a maybe an AM? And Ronaldo circus on top and the then need for a striker and it is a mess.

If the signigns that SEEM close are sorted - Malacia, Martinez, FDJ, Eriksen it potentially solves a few problems, and gives depth options as well. Will need an attacking signing on top though.

Have to worry for ETH, he needs United to give him a solid foundation and it doesn't like close to that yet.

05-07-2022 03:11PM

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Well I look at that list of managers and see no real plan or continued development of ideas just fairly random but if you want to make some tenuous connections in some wierd bid to call Ten Hagg an experiment then go right ahead.

Im sure even when hiring jose clubs want him to stay more then 3 years but moyes was given 7 years, LVG often talked about the long term in his time at the club, ole was ahhh ole no idea what all that was about tbh. But that'd be 3 project managers as you call them out of 5 maybe even 4 if you want to count ralph so hardly a new idea and maybe that is a connection.

No point in discussing trophy hauls with you if you just write off leagues based on the 5 big leagues line, we have seen plenty of times managers coming in and doing well from all over, premier league or big 5 experience has been shown up not to matter a good manager is a good manager mostly.

Im just saying Pogba isnt a loss I honestly thought the only people who still rated him are kids who spend more time playing fifa then watching football, he isn't a loss he is a bench squad player easily replaced sure we need upgrades in positions in the first team some which look to being addressed but the success of the season wont hinge on replacing a squad player

ShamoBuc · 05-07-2022 03:13PM

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I think he is exactly the kind of fella United needed. No connection to United is a plus as far as I am concerned - hasn't been a good thinkg in the recent past in fairness.

He appears to be very hands on in training, has a clear idea of how he wants United to play. He has cleared out a few players that can only be seen as a good thing to be gone - probably has another couple to get rid of - Ronaldo included, better he leaves now I think.

He seems to be a decision maker rather than a puppet type of a guy. I reckon you will see a much more determined and focused United this season. They will actually know what they are supposed to do going out on a pitch. They'll have a plan of action, actually play more like a team that knows what they are doing. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Who he gets in over the current window - and gets rid of - will obviously have a hige effect on his plans. The players he wants, simply might not be available, hence why he will need a few windows - like any manager would, but especially one taking over a club in the state United were.

They won't be challenging the top 2 but with another couple of additions, could challenge for a CL spot before falling short - mostly because of the very good business already done by other top teams.

I don't think United will be 'back' but they will be on their way.

DM_7 · 05-07-2022 03:29PM

United did not have any consistency in their approach to hiring managers since SAF retired apart from giving 3 years contracts to people post Moyes.

The common failure was backing certain players over the coach.

A common failure in football is that players or managers are looked at against the perception or standing they had on arrival rather than their actual performances and a realistic re-assessment of their likely performance in future is rarely undertaken.

Man Utd have excelled at failing to continually assess, review and predict likely performance. They have also retained far too many peripheral players who offered little.

Players like Shaw, Martial, Pogba were continually looked at in terms of what they could potentially become but that was still the potential level they were viewed as having when they arrived rather than a realistic reassessed position. Players like Mata, Lingard, Jones, Bailly were kept for far too long.

If they continue down that road they will never get it right and at least in the context of this transfer window they seem to be buying players the coach needs, have seen some peripheral players depart and appear to be looking to allow more go.

LineOfBeauty · 05-07-2022 03:42PM

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I'd not call the process random at all. Rather it's been haphazard and poorly thought out, but not random. Random implies literally anyone with a Uefa Coaching license could have gotten the job. They've picked their head coaches for a reason, but lacked an overriding thought when choosing those coaches, the end result being last season's squad looked like a Frankenstein monster of a team with all mishsapen parts from previous regimes. But hey, if you hate the word experiment so much, we can bin it. The ten Hag project, the ten Hag experience, whatever you want to call Man Utd's attempt to step into the world of modern football with the likes of Liverpool and Man City.

You might want him to stay more than 3 years but I think by this stage we all understand how the Mourinho cycle works. Moyes was given 7 years and then not backed in the market. LVG was given some too. Though these coaches either earned that time through their reputation (trohpies in the cases of Mourinho and LVG) and Ferguson's backing in the case of Moyes.

Then don't discuss it with me. But if you think Man Utd (a club famous for it's approach to commercialisation and one of the richest clubs in the world) have hired this man based on his CV alone then I think you might be wrong. Does that mean he can't win trophies in England because he hasn't won them before? Of course not. I am simply saying the criteria for hiring him must go beyond trophies obviously. So what does he bring? A modern, predefined style that many feel has been lacking at Man Utd, especially when compared to the top 2 in England. An aura maybe, and the ability to develop players from within but mainly he has been hired by Man Utd because they think he can bring modern football to Man Utd and they think that will bring with it trophies.

I'd hazard a guess that people who like their stats also probably rate him a bit too. Like for example, aside from DVB (1 game), Goals+Assists-Penalty Kicks made per 90 minutes and Pogba scores highest in it in the Man Utd squad. Big chances created Paul Pogba was 3rd for the season at Man Utd. Assists he was 1st. Most successful dribbles he was 2nd. Is Paul Pogba a GOD? No, we know his limitations too, but to make out like he isn't in the best 11 of that team when the other options are Fred and MCT doesn't add up. But OK, a squad player that Garner can step in to fill the boots of next season.

retalivity · 05-07-2022 03:48PM

Burnley have signed Stone Cold Steve Austin, or his non-union Belgian equivalent

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1544332895212519427

05-07-2022 04:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294231#Comment_119294231

Im not going to argue the finer points of the meaning of the word random but you got what i was trying to say and ya no real connections like you were trying to make out originally. I do like the Ten Hagg experience but this conversation you have steered so far away from the original points without addressing any of your reasoning. I've no interest in a silly points scoring exercise as would no one else reading.

Not the people who look at them stats at the biggest clubs in the world as I said there is a reason he is off the joing the 4th team in italia in the worst of the 5 big leagues, we have seen many players who have failed or become to old for the Premier league go on and have upturn in form.

I had a quick look and in terms of shot creating actions he was 5th behind bruno, sancho, shaw, lingard, none of which would be considered to have a good season he was only creating .9 more then Fred who was also doing trojan work on the defensive side of things, something pogba cant do.

Pogba also had 2.1 bad touches every game highest at the club, dispossessed 1.4 times per game highest at the club after dan james left.

3 managers now have dropped him at united also so we cant say he would be a starter no, while he might create, we can also see above he is an absolute liability at times losing the ball, and more often then not in bad areas, and a fortuitous assisting season wont change any of that.

Anyways as i said i'll leave it there as besides what i said above we have veered wildly off topic.

LineOfBeauty · 05-07-2022 04:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294473#Comment_119294473

Well hey there we go anyway. But yes basically to wrap it up on my end. An appointment different to what Man Utd have gone for post Ferguson and he's not being given the best chance of success when you look at that outgoings/ingoings picture. The window is still young, they may hadd more to the incomings, but if Ronaldo is also an outgoing then you must think this is trouble.

Basically what I'm saying is Man Utd looked ill-prepared coming into this window, and they've thrown their new boss into a more difficult situation than it should have been before he has even gotten started.

El Gato De Negocios · 05-07-2022 05:23PM

Mods, is there going to be a forum feedback thread this year?

DM_7 · 05-07-2022 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294473#Comment_119294473

In any replacing Pogba conversation it is also worth adding he started only 50 of the last 114 premier league games.

16 in 21/22

21 in 20/21

13 in 19/20

He was at best a squad player due to how little he was playing.

Fitz* · 05-07-2022 05:43PM

On one hand, there is the argument for 'get the players in that the manager wants', and on the other hand it's 'giving a relative unproven manager keys to the castle' with a lot of rumoured targets either players from the league he was last in, or players he previously coached.

Both have pros & cons but I think the latter is a dangerous path to go down.

Is there not a new lad appointed for that reason, Mourtough? Or has Ten Haag twisted his arm already to focus on players he prefers, rather than taking advice from the recruitment team?

Maybe letting Ten Haag be the defacto sporting director & coach this summer dictating what players come in, before having a coach-only role in time might be a good idea overall, but then do you worry that he won't give up that power going forwards?

adaminho · 05-07-2022 05:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294760#Comment_119294760

I reported this so a mod will get to see it.

ShamoBuc · 05-07-2022 05:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294897#Comment_119294897

We'll get back to ye shortly on this.

ShamoBuc · 05-07-2022 08:23PM

Feedback thread opened....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058253225/soccer-forum-feedback-2022

DM_7 · 05-07-2022 11:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119294882#Comment_119294882

If United are or remain reliant on ten Hag to identify suitable players then that could be dangerous. They already messed up by needing to change so many players between managers as they all required very differant things.

In this case would like to think the club did their research in selecting the coach and then tailored the recruitment options to what they thought suited his needs for his style football. Then worked with him to narrow it down.

I think the main rumoured players so far in Eriksen (formerly at Ajax, versatile, can rotate position), FDJ (Ajax under ETH), first Timber then Martinez (Ajax under ETH, versatile, position rotation) and Malacia (now signed - young player used to more intense style favoured by Slot at his last club) would actually be a sensible list for the club to come up with for this manager but also be the type of players most managers would work with.

For ETH I don't think it would be wrong to see a de Jong jump up the list once it was heard through the grapevine that he may be available and both manager and club quickly agreed on him as a priority to try and get.

Signing players familar with a managers needs should speed up the process of him getting the team functioning how he wants. We have seen many managers identify players they worked with before as key to their plans at a new club and certainly players familiar to the style of play they will want to have.

I am not worried about Ten Hag willingness to work with directors or recruitment. At Ajax he seemed to work very well within their model.

Fattybojangles · 06-07-2022 09:37AM

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I hate to be a wrestling nerd but it is Goldberg.

Fattybojangles · 06-07-2022 09:42AM

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A manager will always go to players he knows first and foremost and simply put there isn't time for Man Utd to implement a widescale recruitment revolution in one window I must admit I've been impressed with the players signed/linked with Man Utd this summer.

The first thing ETH needs to do is to implement the standards required on the training crowd and weed out the dross/troublemakers at the club very similar to the repair job Eddie Howe had to do at Newcastle after the Bruce fiasco ETH has to repair the rotten culture at Man Utd if he does that there will be instant improvement. They lost so many games last year simply by being out worked by inferior opposition.

jacool · 06-07-2022 10:59AM

Judging by ETH's hiring policy, what are the odds on Man Utd's home kit next season having white sleeves?

It does mean the club have to stick with him, no matter how things go, if he is surrounding himself with "old familiars".

Fattybojangles · 06-07-2022 11:56AM

Numerous sources have said Newcastle have approached Everton regarding Anthony Gordon.

StringerBell · 06-07-2022 11:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297687#Comment_119297687

Old familiars like the recently signed left back from Feyenoord?

(Also the only signing!)

Cookiemunster · 06-07-2022 12:00PM

The only signing Utd have actually made is a young left back from Feyenoord. Eriksen was long gone from Ajax by the time ETH took over. Neither one screams 'old familiar' really.

Maybe he signs Martinez and FdJ, but one player from his old club and one who played for him 4 years ago in a squad of 25 is also a long way from surrounding himself with 'old familiars'.

pjohnson · 06-07-2022 12:08PM

Guess might aswell mention it here Lamptey is going to go to the World Cup. He's now Ghanaian.

jacool · 06-07-2022 01:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298004#Comment_119298004

Fair enough - I sit corrected.

Officer999 · 06-07-2022 03:04PM

Nuno Espirito Santo confirmed as manager of Al Ittihad in Saudi Arabia.

Fitz* · 06-07-2022 03:08PM

Well here is another player with links to Ajax / Dutch league.

The players that have been linked the heaviest are the below;

Malacia - ex-Dutch League

De Jong - ex-Ajax

Erikson - ex-Ajax

Timber - Ajax

Martinez - Ajax

Antony - Ajax

https://twitter.com/jamesalanrobson/status/1544695071014113281?t=uo47z14uYb_zY8cheFjLPw&s=19

Like I understand the whole idea of bringing in one or two players that know the style of the coach etc, a lot of managers do it. Most managers do it. Mourinho did it, Wenger did it, Pep did, Klopp tried to do it, but Gotze didn't sign, Brendan Rodgers did it with Joe Allen. Martinez did it at Everton.

De Jong is a player that would improve Man United's midfield dramatically and get them playing in midfield. Sound. The new manager wanted the young LB and that's his call. Sound.

But this is more than 1 or 2, and granted some may be tentative enquiries or made up stories but there is a trend emerging.

Summer transfer thread 2022

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