Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Dempo1 · 30-06-2022 08:39PM

I need to find this builder and shake his Hand,

Listen very carefully

https://twitter.com/mullally_elaine/status/1542255295925260289

road_high · 30-06-2022 09:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119273484#Comment_119273484

That was great- put the Rte virtue signaller back in her box. Sounds like this programme will drop like a lead balloon outside the D4 trans vegan chattering classes.

Dempo1 · 30-06-2022 09:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119273620#Comment_119273620

It was , fair play to whoever it was 😁

Gant21 · 30-06-2022 09:32PM

Haven’t much time to be keeping up on current affairs is there any update on sites for the cabin housing and costs?

01-07-2022 09:29AM

I feel like I don't want to be on moaning and giving out but it needs to stay as an 'active' topic.

I was thinking yesterday how anxious I am as we head closer to autumn and winter. I am trying to do out some kind of a budget and it looks bleak. It'll cost us €100 per week alone, to just heat this home. That's accounting for a mild enough winter. Then the price of food and running the car. We also have to pay the mortgage, electricity and childcare on top of everything.

It is so wrong that people who are getting all their physiological needs paid for, are still getting over €200per week. I will not have €200 of discretionary spending in the whole of next year after all our bills are paid.

I'm sorry but I do feel bitter here. I have been working in this country since I was 13 years of age. I am well educated, work hard and have a 'good' job.

I feel we're being financially r@ped, for want of a better description.

I feel like my hard earned money is being grabbed off me by the school bully and there is nothing I can do about it :'(

I do have empathy for their plight but our citizens standard of living is diminishing fast too.

01-07-2022 10:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119274983#Comment_119274983

Not dismissing your concerns, but 100 eur a week to heat your home, thats insane. Is it a massive home or is it like a 1950's (single block walls, single pane windows) F/G rated gaff? I was in a 3 bed apartment previously with those horrible storage heaters and at its worst it was costing 100 a month to heat the place. Granted with the increased power prices that would be costing closer to 200 a month, but thats still half what you're paying.

There are some simple things you can do to reduce heat loss to reduce your bills e.g. draft excluders, window seals, attic insulation etc. Probably a discussion better suited to another thread/forum though but in your shoes I would be seriously looking at those various options. At your rate of expense, they could pay for themselves within 1-2 years or less

Dempo1 · 01-07-2022 10:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275281#Comment_119275281

I'm not entirely sure the poster is seeking solace and advice on better energy use or patronising dribble. I'd wager €100 per week this winter to heat many hones is actually being Conservative, particularly if things keep going the way they are going .

And no, I don't want your advice on reducing heating costs, I've my turf cut and stored 🙄

Gant21 · 01-07-2022 11:24AM

The winter will be on us and will be a hungry one. They will put in supports as everyone has to treated equally.

Dempo1 · 01-07-2022 11:26AM

Speaking of winter, its a shyte day here in the Midlands, cold wet and miserable and it's July 1st 😳

01-07-2022 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275498#Comment_119275498

The winter will be on us and will be a hungry one. They will put in supports as everyone has to treated equally.

I realise that my sarcasm detector is completely broken. It definitely is. But you have got to be joking with this.

Ireland is not an equal society.. those in the middle are expected to pay for everyone else. That's not treating people equally, especially when you factor in the wide range of "disadvantaged/protected" groups in this country. Just take at look at the funding given to NGOs in this country. It's utterly retarded.

Dempo1 · 01-07-2022 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275539#Comment_119275539

Can you say that word R*******D any more 😏 but yes completely true , I think to be fair to @Gant21 , sarcasm was intended, well hopefully 😏

DelaneyIn · 01-07-2022 11:55AM

Ukraine is a huge bloody country and there is no war going on in more than half of it - why on earth do people have to be re-housed in Ireland? Cut off the welfare supports and i guarantee huge numbers of them would flee home!

Why are we paying people’s hotel and meal bills and then handing them 200 euro, child benefits etc? What do they need that money for?

Boggles · 01-07-2022 12:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275539#Comment_119275539

Ireland is not an equal society.. those in the middle are expected to pay for everyone else

No they aren't, the bulk of our revenue comes from CT, VAT and Excise, the majority of income tax is paid by higher earners.

Lower paid workers (not their fault) do not pay the same level of tax, but their work is as valuable as the rest of society.

You are looking at costs not value.

Low paid workers pay is kept artificially low and topped up or subsidised by welfare.

The alternative is bring in a minimum living wage linked to inflation which will then see a further squeeze on the middle as the cost of goods and services rise further.

What any of that has to do with a refugee I have no idea.

01-07-2022 01:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275642#Comment_119275642

So €3B has been pledged to Ukrainian refugee crisis in Ireland for 2023. Yet this morning Michael McGrath Minister for Public Expenditure said if he was to increase all social welfare payments by €20 a week in the Budget it will cost €1.3Billion which he doesn't think is possible.

Bear in mind that all Ukrainians will be getting social welfare increases along with the rest of the Irish recipients... AS WELL as their €3 billion !!

01-07-2022 02:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275642#Comment_119275642

To go on holiday... What do you think.

I'm seeing hosts being taken advantage of by some who are sending their ( I mean. My) money home along with Al the freebies their getting.

Not to mention those going home for a few weeks to check on family who felt safe enough to stay

01-07-2022 03:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275617#Comment_119275617

We all have our favourite words. Mine is "retarded". It's an awesome word (when used for concepts/ideas as opposed to people).

Dempo1 · 01-07-2022 03:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119276778#Comment_119276778

I am of course being woke, so to speak 😁😉

airy fairy · 01-07-2022 03:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275281#Comment_119275281

A tad condescending, no?

The poster doesnt obviously have expenditure to cover attic insulation and Canadian Goose clothing. If your house is heated alone by gas then how do you suggest the 29.5% in gas bills announced earlier should be dealt with?

It shouldn't matter what size house the person lives in, the fact of the matter is that Ukrainians are spending NOTHING when in hotels. All meals paid for. There is nothing coming back to the economy with them.

Irish people in houses, be they mortgage free and owner occupied, rented, or socially housed should not have to watch Ukrainians get housed with copious amounts of pocket money, while they themselves struggle.

In essence, €200 pocket money to spend per adult, per week. I can't imagine €200 to spend as I wish after bills are paid.

It's vomit inducing at this stage.

Gant21 · 01-07-2022 05:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119276253#Comment_119276253

The maths aren’t stacking up.

xxxxxxl · 01-07-2022 05:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119276871#Comment_119276871

I live in a modern apartment. My bill just came in for Gas barely use Gas only for heating the Immersion. up €37.85 same month last year.

Dempo1 · 01-07-2022 06:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277377#Comment_119277377

Hope your not with Electric Ireland, some astonishing further price increases announced totay 🙄

01-07-2022 06:06PM

Refugees in direct provision get €38.80 per week. Ukrainian refugees get over 5x that at the standard rate of €208 per weekly, that’s not including other benefits.

There’s preferential treatment of Ukrainians above Irish people and other refugees. The disparity of what they get compared to other refugees is just mind boggling. They should be treated the same. Free rent, free meals, you don’t need full whack of every social under the sun. F all will change though.

01-07-2022 06:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277447#Comment_119277447

Ukrainian refugees are treated the same as unemployed homeless Irish people living in hotels. I don’t think that is preferential.

I do think that the refugees, who are getting full board for free, should either pay something towards their keep or get a much reduced rate of welfare, say 50%

xxxxxxl · 01-07-2022 06:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277475#Comment_119277475

True but Irish in hotels are not going to be offered their own key for a house are they Ofc if they get built.

Boggles · 01-07-2022 06:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277535#Comment_119277535

Of course they are, people in emergency accommodation get moved into social or private housing all the time.

Friend of mine was recently bidding on a property against a charity and the council.

Also not all people in emergency accommodation are Irish, also not all people living in emergency accommodation are living in hotels, quite a few of them are living in long term accommodation but are still on the housing list so are deemed homeless.

Trying to pit one unfortunate subset against another though, is quite crass and also quite remedial when you consider the reasons for homelessness are nuanced and varied.

road_high · 01-07-2022 06:58PM

Anyone ask these Ukrainians where in Ukraine they are from and if it is safe and if so when are they going home? Seems a perfectly logical question to ask. A grateful guest never outstays their welcome or their hosts kind charity. Or are we not allowed ask as it’s deemed “racist” by the moral thought police?

xxxxxxl · 01-07-2022 07:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277625#Comment_119277625

Oh Right. I assume the Government has just waved a magic wand at the time this was posted and there is no housing issue ?

Boggles · 01-07-2022 07:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277646#Comment_119277646

You specifically mentioned people in hotels.

But the government interfering in the market has contributed to the recent spike in rental prices.

That said more than 99%+ of all rentals are settled, and because of that interference now have more robust rental agreements.

xxxxxxl · 01-07-2022 07:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277703#Comment_119277703

No Maryanne84 mentioned the hotels I commented on it. Odd that everyone seems to be out bid by local government. Why are they not buying up stock in Navan and all the other places that have been mentioned ? You know in other threads to paint a picture that there is no housing crisis.

01-07-2022 09:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277712#Comment_119277712

How many of the homeless want to live in Navan?

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