What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

It'll be easier for them to say if the agent ever takes the stand.

I somehow get the feeling he won't. We'll get as far as aspersions that her testimony wasn't up to snuff, but nobody will try to prosecute her for perjury and the agency will come up with some reason the agent cannot testify.

During the transition that finally occurred post January 6 (Trump blocked any lame duck transition prior to this), the decision was made to rotate out secret service agents that protected Trump over reported concerns of 'loyalty' which as we all know, Trump was very big on, seeking loyalty pledges from everyone around him - I remember his Putin translator, and the notes he ate.

For all I know at this point, given the confidence the committee has that they have evidence of obstruction of justice and witness tampering - that this witness claiming her testimony is false, has themselves been tampered with. The most charitable explanation to date is that as a secret service agent they are tasked with protecting the Office of the presidency, not just the president, and so they see this testimony as embarrassing. But, that wouldn't explain why they'd intentionally lie under oath - that does the opposite of what they claim to accomplish, it corrupts the presidency and the agency. So I'll boil it down to 2 outcomes: they'll huff, but never testify, because she's right and they've been tampered with, or they'll take the stand and refute her, and it will be down to other cross examination - none of the sources that have reported that the agents are contradicting her story about the steering wheel and the attempted assault, have at all tried to contradict the claim Trump tried to verbally order them to take him to the Capitol, instead of the WH, as discussed.

Meadows, Rudy et Al saying they didn't ask for a pardon.

Reminded me of this...

Pat, c'mon down!

He has grounds to fight it I understand (privilege) and could drag it out, but if he wants to attend (given what people know he said and if he doesn't, he'll be deemed a coward) it would be very interesting

Listening to the testimony by Hutchinson, they played a tape of cop chatter about gunmen around the area.

Wasn't it not all that long ago that there was at least 1 poster complaining that we were lying about firearms in the vicinity of the Capitol?

So, despite DC having a law against carrying firearms in the District, the insurrectionists flouted it?

Two things seem certain: 1) Cops are trained to recognize them so I trust their conclusions 2) The cops didn't see them all due to the mass of people

Don't worry folks, when it all comes out and proven to be true, the followers here will still try to equivocate/excuse/distract.

The only reason everyone isn't beyond appalled is because we've put up with the drip drip effect of his corruption since he waved his way down those escalators.

By any normal metric, he's an absolute abomination, utterly disgusting, immoral, corrupt and despicable.

The only time he should be mentioned from now on is as a yardstick to compare others against in terms of their incompetence or corruption.

I'm sure the question has been posed many times before, but you'd have to wonder what the line in the sand actually is for people supporting Donald Trump. What would it take for them to start questioning Trump? Or are they so devoted and so far down the rabbit hole that they're content to believe that everything is everyone else's fault, no matter what that is?

None. He could have choked the Secret Service agent to death and sh*t on his dying body while taking a selfie of his orange face to post on Truth Social, and they'd still vote for him.

You seem very invested.

Cassidy said it under oath, the others claim they will, might, definitely, any say now, absolutely, will under oath.

So you have one side under oath, and the other side being quoted by 'sources', not under oath or even in person yet your first position is to side with those failing to stand up?

Lol. Accusing others of being cult like.

You couldn't make this sh1t up!

This is not a legal case, it's sifting a lot of information into the public domain on a very remarkable and unsavoury event, also a function of a political system. Will it result in a legal case against Trump? Very probably not. Does it show him as an even less suitable person to be President? Absolutely. What it also does is give the GOP and supporters reason to look at other options, like DeSantis. That's good for everyone.

The hearings are a precursory investigation to determine if Trump and people in his administration should be charged and investigated by the Department of Justice which would then lead to a trial in a court of law. Regardless, people have and are testifying under oath, and evidence which would form part of the DoJ's charges against Trump&Admin already being collected and verified.

Cassidy Hutchinson testified under oath. The "fact" the secret service agents are willing to deny the claims under oath matters little when they have not testified under oath. If or when they do, that's all part of the process. Going through everyones testimony (not just what sources say on Twitter) and finding the facts. But even if they say Trump never tried to grab the wheel or tried to grab an agent by the neck, she only said that's what she was told happened (and as has been pointed out, is not hearsay and therefore is allowable in a court of law). It doesn't negate the other testimony she gave about events or conversations she was present for, or documents/evidence submitted to the Committee's investigators.

And yes, people consider these hearings to be less of a priority than the economy, or crime, or climate change. Of course they do, because those things affect everyone, whereas these hearings affect a small number of people (though the effect that no charges being brought could have on elections would be significant and hugely damaging going forward). But considering that one in three people surveyed consider it to be a high priority is still no small thing.

It's not about whether or not people care about it, it's about doing it because it's the right thing to do. Trump tried to have the results of a fair election negated because he lost, in an attempt to unfairly and illegally hold on to the Presidency. That needs to be investigated and people involved held accountable where any crimes were committed. Viewing figures or opinion polls mean absolutely jack sh*t.

Pick a narrow point and dispute that whilst ignoring the wider story, then make a claim like ‘most people’ or ‘lots are saying’ it drives the narrative away from the actual story and gives them their talking points and more importantly just enough of a feeling of being right that makes them happy with their stand point.

Hutchinson hearing sets record for daytime television viewership of a hearing: Over 13 million people.

The first Jan 6 hearing was over 20 million, but that was during prime-time.

Christ. What has he become..