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zv2 · 29-06-2022 04:03PM

Interesting comments from Russians. The last fellow is very philosophical

https://twitter.com/infussambas/status/1542145453063815168?s=20&t=Mch3GXClIJ95fdIjZiwF6w

Yurt2 · 29-06-2022 04:10PM

Electric sleep, you're a sneaking regarder. We know your position by your language and what actually excercises you in this thread. Kremlinite conspiracy and myth.

You only have a woolly 'anti war' stance because you know you'll get blasted out of the thread otherwise.

You're not pro-peace, you're pro surrender on Russian terms.

You'll learn as the piles of dead young Russian men start stacking up, and the returned bodies are overwhelmingly white Russians from the cities instead of Chechens, Tuvans and Dagestanis.

Russia has bitten off more than it can chew. It expected the West to shrug it's shoulders. Now the Putinist cadres know they're looking at the hangman's rope when the war and economy goes sideways. Few political elites will have earned the gallows as much as these sh*tbags in Moscow.

The fellow travelers and signal boosters in the West, though a disturbed minority will crawl back under their rocks by the year's end.

Yurt2 · 29-06-2022 04:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267437#Comment_119267437

Beautiful.

ZenNature · 29-06-2022 04:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267469#Comment_119267469

You say the greenback is undefeated . I say its 23 Trillion dollars in debt .

Its FACTUALY clear that Russia has filled part of the void created by sanctions with Eastern trade, a few more months and the upcoming winter will see how its working out for them.

Back to Russia , has anyone discussed the impact of sanctions on wood products, lumber and softwood imports. Russia was the largest exporter of lumber in the world, Belarus was also up there.

Russia accounted for 1/3 of sustainable forest managed wood products. Lots of illegal logging there, but also alot of sustainable forest managment. It appears the west will have to replace that with more lumber from other sources with no guarantee its from sustainable sources. So thats going to set the Climate Agenda back a bit, along with powering up the German coal plants.

Meanwhile China is increasing its imports of Russian softwood, and the west has no way of knowing that what they will import contains Russian timber.

In fact anyone who has stuff from Ikea most likely already has Russian timber in their houses.

It really is fascinating how the circular economy and globalisation connected us in all sorts of foreseen and un-foreseen ways.

Down with Putin, long live Ukraine . But it really is all so fascinating.

zv2 · 29-06-2022 04:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267352#Comment_119267352

You seem to know a lot about what I think without actually discussing it with me. I am not so naive as to think any nation, including Ukraine, is white as snow. But I have stated my case; Russia has absolutely lost all moral authority in this, 1000 times over. So what's the point in telling us Ukraine has baddies? So does every country. Putin is a mass murderer and has murdered his way to power and murdered since he came to power. Burn him out and we can talk about politics later.

You should also frame your estimation of Ukraine in the context of Russian aggression that goes back centuries. Pulverize a nation long enough and they will get angry.

Yurt2 · 29-06-2022 04:23PM

Electric sleep thinks there's an end to this tale where Russia can strongarm the EU into and the US to making peace on Putinist terms, and we all go back to normal.

High-order delusion.

It ends with the fascist and his enablers in a potter's grave, and the Russian economy crushed.

His precious wonderful Russian friends in diaspora have to put their money where their mouth is if they're so damn anti war, as well as their friends and family in Russia.

We've all seen the YouTube videos of Russian hipsters in Moscow smirking about the war. It's only when their friends start coming back dismembered in boxes that the penny will drop.

If that sounds cruel to delicate Russophile ears, how cute given the murder you have given passive assent to.

They're locked in a war that they started, the West and Ukraine will impose the cost, and the cost is a generation of Russian men and boys haunted by the fields of Ukraine. This is the logic of the war they started.

electric_sleep · 29-06-2022 04:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267567#Comment_119267567

You’ve got some morbid fascination with dead Russian bodies as you keep mentioning them. The fact that you assume all Russians are pro Putin, even the ones who say they are not, is another giveaway as to your bigotry. You’re profiling an entire ethnic group and wishing for their deaths en masse.

We all want to see an end to the war, but I’d prefer if as few people died as possible, unlike you.

Field east · 29-06-2022 04:32PM

It amazes me how many on here saying something to the effect that “The UKranians are no saints either, that it is a very corrupt country, big into prostitution and internationalise it with its beautiful and glamorous women etc, etc, etc ,etc ad nauseum” AND THERE IS A WAR GOING ON where-:-

(1*) men , women and children, no matter what age and no matter how innocent are being killed daily - absolutly no discrimination shown

(2). Individual homes, land growing crops, villages, towns , cities , industrial complexes, infrastructure, etc are being put beyond use or totally razed to the ground, etc, etc.

(3) brutality is the order of the day especially with young women, POW, etc

(4) and if above is not enough the steeling of stored produce, machinery, and other valuables

and the Ukranian retaliation is kept VERY substantially within the Ukr border

no matter what The UKranians ‘ have been up to’ - which probably is not the case - it most certainly does not deserve any of the above 4 atrocities/ actions . So what if it is very corrupt - if it is its corruption within its own population.

boardies bringing up these points re corruption , etc, are using a typical Putinists strategy to argue a point

Yurt2 · 29-06-2022 04:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267677#Comment_119267677

Where are your anti war Russians in diaspora? Where are they standing alongside Ukranians as they rally making their faces and names known? Are they afraid of retribution from the fascism on the home-front or are they merely silent and assenting to the war? Because I see f*ckall evidence of these brave Russian peaceniks in Europe.

I'm introducing you to the cold reality of this war sheep. It means thousands of Russian boys and men sent with rusting rifles to be chewed up in Ukraine and sent back in boxes- if they are lucky. You need to wake up to that. The West is shoulder to wheel on this point.

This isn't a lark, a country is fighting for its future and the continent is defending the post WW2 peace from a fascism. It means dead bodies, and lots of them, until the invaders realise the cost is too high and they return home in disgrace.

Field east · 29-06-2022 04:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265330#Comment_119265330

Would the same be the case for the Russian Olegarcs that’ control ‘ the Russian. Arms industry. A bit of balance needed here

Field east · 29-06-2022 04:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265756#Comment_119265756

are sanctions more for a long term strategy . Any animal bleeding to death does not did immediately

Yurt2 · 29-06-2022 04:36PM

@Electric Sheep

A challenge for you. Marshall your Russian friends and family in Ireland you say are so anti war. Raise the banner of Russians in diaspora demanding Putin's legion of fascists go home unconditionally.

Are they willing? Do they even exist these peaceniks you insist want the war to end?

They carry the name of Russia in a foreign country. Where are their balls to stand up? Have them march on Orwell Road.

electric_sleep · 29-06-2022 04:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267735#Comment_119267735

so there you have it, yurt2 believes in collective punishment and guilt by ethnicity. Shall we round them up and put them in camps? Be careful, your mask is slipping again.

You’ve no interest in peace in Ukraine, you just want to see as many Russian bodies as possible, regardless of the Ukrainian human cost.

Field east · 29-06-2022 04:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266408#Comment_119266408

Putin could’nt post better himself. If you are ever out of a job then you should have no problem in being a serious candidate for the job of Putins speech writer if it ever becomes vacant!

Yurt2 · 29-06-2022 04:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267776#Comment_119267776

I said no such thing.

I challenged you to get your army of Russian peaceniks you insist are legion and get them to Orwell Road under the banner of the diaspora to demand on Russian invaders returning home. You went silent.

We didn't get that in Ireland. We got fascist Z convoys. In Germany we got fascist Russian pride marches in dozens of cities. Where are these Russian peaceniks? Lead them sheep. You say you know them, so let their faces be shown to the Irish people.

Your delicate ears are offended by the reality that perhaps hundreds of young Russian men have been wasted in the fields and streets of Ukraine on this very day by a defending army. And you bothered by hallucinations of Banderites and fake coups.

We see you Putinite.

Furze99 · 29-06-2022 04:52PM

According to the Russian ambassador in an Examiner article, there are about 5,000 Russian citizens in the Republic.

We've seen a score or so involved in pro invasion demonstrations.

Where are the rest? What are their views? If they believe the invasion of Ukraine is an illegal war, then they should be organising a protest to demonstrate their repugnance of the current situation. To keep quiet is to be judged to be supportive, regardless of what they think. If they believe this war is justified, then maybe we should be revoking their visas and sending them back home.

Field east · 29-06-2022 05:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267437#Comment_119267437

Any chance of a bit of translation of the key points?

electric_sleep · 29-06-2022 05:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267711#Comment_119267711

I didn’t bring up most of those issues you mentioned but I assume this is aimed at me.

My point is that Ukraine is having a civil war, and a proxy war as much as it’s having a war of defence against an invasion, there can be no peace treaty that doesn’t recognise this.

All the war hawks will have to come around to the reality on the ground eventually. Regardless of how much they’d like to drive the ‘Russian hordes’ into deepest Siberia, only one side of this war has nukes and unless the West want to get involved directly, it’s an un-winnable war for Ukraine.

Peace talks are needed as soon as possible while Kiev still even has a hand to play.

I’m a realist. And this is the only way I can see an end to violence that doesn’t result in thermonuclear war. If anyone has a better way that’s not based in pure gung-ho fantasy, then I’m all ears.

Yurt2 · 29-06-2022 05:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267854#Comment_119267854

It is not a civil war. It is the invasion of a sovereign country. Putinite, your arse is showing again.

Ukraine defenders will continue to chew up young Russian men until the Russian state breaks.

fly_agaric · 29-06-2022 05:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267776#Comment_119267776

The "isn't it awful, oh both sides are nasty" stuff on Ukraine as if anything Ukraine did is some way comparable to Russia (where you have a leader now thinking he's a warlord from centuries past, but with nukes and cruise missiles) isn't likely to go down that well in Ireland now however much personal experience and knowledge you have of both places over joe soap from here. Such is life.

btw Ireland has I think been designated an "unfriendly" country by your homeland. As part of the EU we're firmly on the Russia ****-list this time out, unlike the old Cold war with Soviet Union (where we were Western I suppose but utterly uninvolved in these sorts of events and beneath notice).

I expect over next couple of years here (I'm assuming Putin doesn't scour this island clean with his Nuclear Tsunami (!), or less dramatically, devastate the economy of the EU and have us all eating cold beans out of a can come Christmas as his trolls threaten), while you won't ever be "in a camp", or if not a citizen have residency threatened unless you are a silly-billy, you may find you have to bite your tongue regarding home & Ukraine and keep the head down a bit.

electric_sleep · 29-06-2022 05:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267814#Comment_119267814

Right so, how do you expect we round up Russians and extract their political viewpoints before deciding if they can stay?

Would this extend to Russians with dual citizenship? What about ethnic Russians from Ukraine? What about Russians who’ve never set foot in Russia? What about Russians married to Irish people?

Think about the nonsense you’re spouting.

zv2 · 29-06-2022 05:09PM

This is pinch of salty stuff, but still... The Kremlin is panicking because of Lukashenka - the head of Belarus is ready to "break away from Putin" - | Dialogue. UA

29-06-2022 05:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267804#Comment_119267804

You sound genuinely unhinged.

It is possible for Russian people to be opposed to the war and not march the embassy.

Podge_irl · 29-06-2022 05:11PM

My point is that Ukraine is having a civil war, and a proxy war as much as it’s having a war of defence against an invasion

Counterpoint - no it isn't.

Ukraine's internal problems are well documented but they will not even begin to be able to address them until Russia pisses off. Until then the only thing that matters is fighting off invasion and genocide.

Yurt2 · 29-06-2022 05:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267890#Comment_119267890

Where are they if they are so implacably opposed to the war? Where is their moral outrage at their sons being sent to a sovereign country to kill, and ulitmaltely be killed? The poster is insisting about this army of Russian-Irish peaceniks. Or are they crossing their fingers they'll somehow get a Ukrainian surrender on Russian terms and hoping to keep their heads down in the meantime?

They carry the name of Russia on their backs. I know what I'd do if Ireland descended into barbarsim as Russia has.

Don't give a flip how I sound to you btw.

ZenNature · 29-06-2022 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267796#Comment_119267796

Was there some FACT in my post you took exception to ?

thomil · 29-06-2022 05:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267842#Comment_119267842

Just ran it through Safari's integrated translator. Here are the key points.

Fire broke out in an ammunition storage site in the village of Barsovo, Vladimir Oblast, about 80 kilometers east of Moscow. Cause of fire not specified
Fire ultimately triggered the detonation of ammunitions, including several hundred ATGM (Anti Tank Guided Missiles) There's also talks of shells exploding, but this may simply refer to additional missiles for ATGM launchers
Three Russian military personnel killed in the incident, a further five victims are referred to later in the article, both in the ammunitions depot and in Barsovo village itself

Here's a Google Maps link to what I believe to be the depot in question: https://www.google.com/maps/@56.1010633,38.7525727,2091m/data=!3m1!1e3

From the description, and the size of the site, it sounds like just one of the ammunition warehouses in that depot went up. Given the total size of the Barsovo depot, we'd definitely know if the entire site had gone up. Not sure whether this was caused by negligence, "thermal inventory correction" to cover up theft, local insurgents or deep-penetrating Ukrainian special forces (unlikely, to be honest), but this will definitely not make the ongoing logistical situation any easier for the Russians.

29-06-2022 05:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267910#Comment_119267910

They are probably getting on with their lives as best they can, saddened at the way the war is going. Like the rest of us.

They hold no responsibility for the actions of others, just because they share the same nation of birth.

opinionated3 · 29-06-2022 05:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267854#Comment_119267854

Civil war??? Wtf?? It's a full on invasion for Christ's sake. Russia started it and to be quite frank, after bucha,Mariupol,kremenchuk etc the more Russian soldiers/rapist's/terrorists that are killed the better. This will hopefully end in one way..... With the total and utter humiliation of Russia and her leaders.

29-06-2022 05:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119267931#Comment_119267931

They're probably digging into stuff at this point that's 40+ years old and never inspected or maintained properly. Accident will happen. We can hope.

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