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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2


    Britain has neo nazis, so we in Ireland have the right to invade Britain? Germany? There's a whole bunch of people on Twitter pointing out Ukraine's faults as if this makes Putin right. You may not be saying this outright but the subtext is in your posts.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,659 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    But US weapons manufacturers are making great money. Isn't that the important thing?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,628 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    It's a good thing that the Ukrainian resistance is getting weapons and support it needs.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bit pointless playing morality games in the middle of a war. By being moved to support one side or the other you end up endorsing these types of companies anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,136 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    The point is they're getting around them, sanctions won't end the war, we seem to be more hurt by them than Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    One of the principal aims of sanctions (economic and cultural) is to make it abundantly clear to the ordinary Russian population that their state has involved itself in a whole lot more than just a 'special military operation'. That their state is visiting terror and destruction on their former friends and neighbours. That they are considered pariahs.

    It hurts us in our pockets but it's the least we can do. It's also why we should be making it as tough for Russian ex pats here in Ireland, so that the message gets back. And also why we shouldn't indulge Russian propagandists.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,890 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The only sanctions significantly hurting Europe are those on energy, and it would be a catastrophic security disaster to continue relying on Russian energy so the idea that we will ever go back to "normal" on that front is a non-starter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Absolutely! - "oh look, all the Western brands are gone, the West must really love what our 'filth in suits and uniforms' are doing"



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Bear in mind I'm not one of the loons who sees Reds under the bed everywhere if someone even dares to go agin the Slava Ukraine!! narrative, but "sanctions are hurting the west more than Russia" has been a constant staple of Russian propaganda inside and outside the country. More outside of course as Russian people on the ground are seeing obvious inflation and other shortages, though the latter is more in the west and westernised part of the country.

    And yep they can get iphones and all that, but they cost a lot more and are a lot harder to get. The stuff has to be physically carried for the most part. Try sending a package to Russia. You can't. Try flying directly to Moscow. To get a new iPhone to Moscow you're going to have to buy it in the West, fly to say Estonia, cross the border there, get a train or plane to Moscow. Stuff is filtering in from the East and China but in absolute dribs and drabs compared to before.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    " So a pariah state for the majority of the world's economy, squeezed on a near weekly basis, with their oil and gas there only bargaining chip, one that is being eroded on the same near weekly basis? "

    Im anti-war and have supported a number of anti-war demonstrations. Putin must be stopped. Im not sure though that our leaders in the West who dont have a great record in handling major catastrophres are capable of it, or capable of making the right decisions.

    On an economic front the Russian ruble is near 15 year highs. Russian oil is only having to discount $15-$20 and India continues to increase its imports of Russian oil. Given the high price of oil, thats still a great deal for Putin and his regime. And over 100 nations turned up to the recent SPEIF Economic Forum in St Petersburg, all voicing support for increasing trade and interaction with Russia. Many poorer nations who have endured generations of colonialism, welath extraction and Western failures to deliver on promises , dont really care about Ukraine and see this as an opportunity to break that cycle.

    And as Russia pivots to the East. people need to realise many countries in the East are embracing this and see it as their chance to escape a dollar denominated market and a US and EU hegemony.

    So yes Russia is being squeezed out of Western Markets.. but on an economic front perhaps the East will fill that void for them.

    As they say in the East... When your masters fight, the slaves suffer.


    WorldTurnsEast.jpg




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The ruble is that high because 1) it's an internal non internationally traded currency, 2) propped up by the Russian government(their finance minister whose name escapes is one capable and clever woman) and 3) they're still selling their big two assets oil and gas so money is still coming in(majority of it from the West), but bugger all else is going out as export sales and they're spending far less on imports. If you're still selling stuff, even at lower rates, but at the same time aren't buying anything you appear to have more money, but it's not economically viable for long.

    And yes they're selling oil to India and elsewhere, but they have to ship it as their pipelines(running on western tech that can't be replaced too quickly) run to the West. So it's a lot more expensive for Russia to sell, on top of their discount. And there's the slight problem of Russia defaulting on her debt this week too.

    Of the 100 nations that showed up to SPEIF the vast majority have microscopic economies. Hell the host Russia has a smaller economy than the US state of Texas. The US state of California dwarfs them. And if they think the Western interference was bad, and it was, Russias will be just as bad. These yahoos in their anger at the West fail to recognise the simple fact Russia is a White Western Christian empire and one just as quck to start chucking their weight around as the US. QV Ukraine. The Afghani's showing up was irony personified. Oh and the Chinese are well ahead of Russia with exploitation and extraction of the same developing nations so there'll be friction there. China's economy is utterly dependent on Western markets and Western tech and licences. If things get nasty and they get sanctioned, well that could get really interesting really quickly. But the Chinese aren't nearly so hot headed and will play the long game, in their interests alone and that's far more looking West than at Russia.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    I think your referring to Elvira Nabiullina the Russian Central Bank Govenor , the FT a few months ago called her 'the worlds best central bank Govenor".

    FT - Nabiullina stuck to her ultra-conservative monetary policy. Within a few years, the country returned to growth and inflation sank. That success led multiple publications to name her the world’s best central banker .

    Your correct Russia has less pipeline access and will have to ship much of its oil. Same as Europe has to ship LNG , liquify and de-gassify it. So whatever costs are being added to Russian oil exports, the same or maybe more are being added to Western alternatives.

    Like I said I dont think our leaders are adept at making smart long term decisions.

    Yep 100 small nations turned up for SPIEF in St Petersburg, I guess thats a bit better than Mexico snubbing Biden and refusing to attend Bidens Summit Of The Americas last month.

    AS for loss of access to Western tech, I dont think Russia will have much issue in replacing it. The west relied on Russian to give them a lift to the ISS space station for 20 years, I expect they will figure out how to replace the loss of western expertise.

    "If your selling stuff, even at lower rates, but at the same time arent buying anything you appear to have more money but its not economically viable " .

    Pre-war Russia was probably the most macro economicaly stable country of the large nations. Thanks to what many called the worlds best Central Bank Govenor , perhaps she will find a way. Tidbit of info, she was known for her brooches, economists would study them as they often reflected what her policy (hawkish/dovish) would be. In a recent public appearance she wore none and dressed in black.

    Theres plenty western nations bypassing oil sanctions, oil old-timers will tell you that in the dead of night with transponders turned off Russian oil is being passed to western ships, also they mix 49% Russian oil with 51% Western oil and can legally then call it Western oil.

    Fascinating stuff, what an interesting time. Winter is coming, the EU stores are depleted, Im not sure Id place my faith in our western leaders making the right decision .

    I feel very sorry for Ukraininan people , they have been crapped on for generations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    A lot of magical thinking in this post. Around what the notional value of the rouble is. And the thought that countries would abandon dollar denominated trade. For what? Throwing their lot with explicitly politically managed and price manipulated currencies with capital controls?

    You think a central bank of a country or private firms wants to be forced into holding vast RMB or rouble reserves for the purpose of commodity exchange? Think about that for a second.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    At Lysychansk direction Russian army continued assault on Lysychansk and at Vovchoyarivka - Verkhniokamianka direction, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Theres no magical thinking involved.

    Its already happening.as an example India Russian imports are up 60% over last year, and Indias exports to Russia are up 20%. - you see not magical thinking, its an economic fact.

    India and Russia are in talks to revive a rouble-roupee exchange mechanism, similar to the 1953 Ruble-Rupee Mechanism, again bypassing dollar conversions and trading in their own currencies. Again no magical thinking, its a fact.

    FT report China will double the permitted trading range between its currency and Russia’s rouble to help bolster trade between the two countries as the Russian economy reels from western sanctions imposed after its invasion of Ukraine.

    So again no wishful thinking. Its an economic fact and is happening and has already happened.

    You may not like, you may wish it wasnt happening, but the market doesnt deal in wishful thinking. Many medium-large nations are only to happy to pivot to national currency trading away from the $ and ignore sanctions set by people in the WH and Brussels.

    Money men dont care about Ukrainian people, if theres money to be made they will trade with the devil or Putin, either or. Will it replace western trade for Russia , probably not in total , but its naive to think there is no one willing to step into that void.

    This coming winter will bring so much pressure on the macro events that I suspect many recent virtuous moves will be put aside in the interest of heating homes, powering society and putting food on the table across the globe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Lol, rouble-rupee exchange mechanism. That's a good one. Probably the most volatile currency pairing possible.

    I'd do a bit of reading on what that means if I were you. There still has to be notional value of equivalence, in euro or dollar, to which the value of the rupee and rouble will be pegged. These trades are still prime-international currency denominated at the end of the day. And especially these two currencies need to have massive dollar or euro reserves to make it work.

    Why? Because they are dogsh*t managed currencies regularly subject to oppressive capital controls and are among the most volatile you can concieve.

    Do some reading before mouthing off about magical new currency regimes that are in fact dollarized exchange mechanisms when you take the slightest peek under the bonnet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,689 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Interesting to hear that the severe parts shortages in the aviation industry have now spread to the tech sector:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    To claim a Ruble-Rupee exchange mechanism is a dollarised instrument and they need dollar reserves is not understanding how it works. The whole point of it is it doesnt require dollar or euro reserves. Read up on the the 1953 mechanism and it will enlighten everyone. It plays into one of the US biggist fears, a move off the petro dollar.

    The rupee has strenghtened over 10% in the last 12 months against the Euro. Thats a fact.

    So when you say that it is 'dogsh*t' , its clear your not reflecting what the FX market is saying.

    All currencies are managed and have proven volatile at some point in their history.

    The fact that increased Russia trade East of the Urals is replacing the void left by Western sanctions may be uncomfortable for people to accept, but its happening.

    Russia spent a decade positioining itself for these type of sanctions. And their pivot east may have been planned or may just be oppurtunistic, but for sure they are being welcomed by trading partners in the East. You dont get called the worlds best central banker by the FT because your prone to wishful thinking.

    I see NATO have upped the ante with their new commitments announced today. Looks like we are entering a de-facto new Cold War but with bigger toys on both sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    A rouble-rupee exchange mechanism absolutely has to be dollar or euro underpinned with a peg. A peg requires regularly going to the dollar market to hedge against volatility for two fundamentally sh*tty currencies.

    This is economic illiteracy you're peddling.

    You have a basic problem when you post the guff you've been posting. You presume everyone is as ignorant as you. They're not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Thats all still in discussion , theres been no commitment to peg to the dollar.

    Theres too much western bias in alot of peoples wishful thinking, they think it has to be dollar pegged . Russia has already made moves to peg the Ruble to Gold. So again your framing of the argument is not reflective of what is actually happening. You have your opinion, but the markets has already taken actions contrary to those, sometimes in life things dont turn out the way we hope.

    People can be as rude as they want and make snide remarks all they want, but they are still ignoring the facts, ignoring increased Eastern trade, ignoring increasing exports and imports East of the Urals, ignoring 100 nations embracing the opportunity to strenghten ties with Russia, ignoring all that is just folly. Economic trade has a 2000+ year history of power shifts , the early FACTUAL indicators I have layed out indicate we may be seeing another one, or perhaps Warren Buffett will be proven right again when he said never bet against the US.

    Perhaps if people woke up and realised no matter how evil or disgraceful Putins regime is, there are plenty of people East of Dnieper river happy to do business with him just as there were plenty people in London, Munich, Paris, Rome and Brussels happy to do business with Russian dirty money prior to the invasion of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Syria: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs decides to recognize the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics

    will this make those other countries on the fence think again about recognition?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Much as I dislike both regimes the sad truth is that I think you will be proven right. More countries will make stronger commitments to Russia on trade and policy.

    Syria sent a large delegation to SPIEF the Russian Davos held in St Petersburg 2 weeks ago, and now they come up with this statement, its clear this was part of negotiations that took place there. I wonder what else was discussed and what other commitments were made with the other 100 nations that took part.

    I think many are only now realising how much Russia played into so many parts of their lives. Much more than they thought I wager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Finnbar01


    He problem thought he had a state of the art modern day army, not realising that corruption runs deep. Monkey see, monkey do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭electric_sleep


    I never said that I supported Putin or Russias actions, never. I’ve said the exact opposite explicitly on several occasions. You’re arguing with me against an argument I never presented, and ignoring everything I’ve said to the contrary. You’re clearly butt hurt that we don’t all drink the Kiev cool aid.

    As for neo nazis, all countries have them, and there are neo nazi individuals in all walks of life including in the army. The difference is that other countries don’t incorporate actual neo nazi organisations and militias into the state and military, they don’t arm them, they don’t train them, and they don’t allow them to operate vigilante groups within their cities as an ‘unofficial’ police force, and they don’t allow them to operate punitive campaigns against ethnic minorities.


    I’m more pro Ukrainian than people like you, yurt2 and co will ever be, because I listen to Ukrainians and I don’t dismiss inconvenient truths about the Kiev regime. I support people (friends, relatives) in Ukraine financially when needed, and have been there for those people for over a decade, I listen to their stories and speak about it to others in my real life. I tend to avoid it online, precisely because of people like you who’s only argument boils down to ‘dur how’s the weather in Moscow? hur”.


    Believing media or political narratives like it’s gospel is either a sign of intellectual weakness or shill level dishonesty, I’ve no respect for either.

    You, yurt and posters like you support a false position, if you cared about Ukraine you would bother to learn something about what’s actually been going on over there.

    People like you haven’t got a clue about Ukrainian politics or society, you and others like you are just bandwagoners in it for the hatred like it’s some sort of sick social media point scoring sport. You couldn’t give a damn about actual Ukrainians, especially east Ukrainians.

    As for Putin and Russia, I’m not as familiar with Russia as I am with Ukraine, which is why I don’t offer much in the way of opinion on what’s going on there other than to state categorically that I am staunchly anti Putin, and his mafia state. I am sickened and disturbed by what Moscow is doing in Ukraine on a daily basis, but I’m not surprised by any of it. The USSR was one of the worst things to happen to humanity and Putins Russia carried over many of the same evil and deceptive techniques of governing.

    I do have Russian friends, relatives and also colleagues whom I find to be fantastic people, who all are anti-war and anti Putin. I don’t take kindly to rabid fanatics calling for the mass expulsions of Russians in ireland, which is what triggered me to speak up here.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    " chess master me bollocks... he should have just invaded Donbas and left Kyiv alone "

    I detest Putins regime but from a military perspective the failed attack on Kiev has worked out in his favour to some degree.

    In war it is often more important to keep your enemy pinned down in a place of no strategic importance whilst you can concentrate your efforts in an area you want to make gains. Military campaigns are littered with failed battles where feints were made in order to make a strategic move elsewhere.

    By attacking Kyiv , Russia ensured that 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers (brave men one and all, I salute them) were tied down in the defence of Kyiv. Meanwhile Russia with superior numbers made advances in Eastern Ukraine, Donbas, Luhansk . Ukraine which has a great rail system could not free any men or arms from Kyiv to send to the East to bolster them , until it was too late and Russia had strongholds.

    So from a chess perspective perhaps it was a sacrifice on one side of the board on Putins part so he could manouver a pawn up the other side of the board.

    Perhaps he hoped to take Kiev or perhaps he just wanted to tie up Ukraine military there, whilst he went after the east.

    I think that is also why he frequently still bombs Kyiv, just to keep them from moving resources East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    There will be no rupee-rouble exchange mechanism without a dollar or euro peg. That's a hard economic fact.

    They are two of the most dogsh*t volatile currencies over the last two decades and that's not changing. You need to wake up a little bit. Economic reality doesn't care if Putin on horseback makes you want to touch yourself at night. They can try a mechanism without a dollar or euro peg, in fact I'd encourage them to try for sheer comedy value.

    Fantasy land stuff about rouble reverting to gold standard 🤪

    This is hilarity. Puffed up wet dreams of an anti Western trading regime may be what you're peddling, but the dollar system is the only game in town. And it will strangle Putin and his fellow travelers.

    The Greenback is undefeated. You need to put down the crack pipe and pick up a textbook.

    Registered yesterday. By what name did we know you by before? And how did you get scalded in the thread?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,890 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The assault on Kiev was not a feint and it was not useful and Russian gains in the Donbas have been pathetically slow and hampered by the massive casualties and equipment loss suffered in their hubristic attempt to topple the Ukrainian government.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    If you have "Russian friends" who are "anti Putin and anti war" where are they in diaspora making their voices heard against the war?

    The Russian diaspora has a responsibility to speak the f*ck up and in numbers on the streets in Europe.

    If indeed this is actually their position and not low-key sneaking regard for what Putin and his fascists are up to.

    All we've got from them was a Z convoy on the motorway. They didn't even have the balls to stage it on a main thoroughfare with their feet planted as they know they would have got lifted out of it by Irish of all ages.



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