Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

Fattybojangles · 27-06-2022 10:22AM

Well after the games over the weekend I'm still firmly of the belief that the winner will come from the Dublin Kerry game Galway Armagh was the best game of the lot but neither team anywhere near elite level for me. In every proper championship game they've played this year Galway have blown up in the last 10 minutes Mayo scored last 5 points in that game Roscommon outscored Galway heavily in last 10 as did Armagh yesterday is it fitness or lack thereof? Or psychological? They seemed plenty fit in ET so couldn't be that. They'll be badly punished for any switch offs against Derry.

While the eye gouging was wrong and out of order some of the pearl clutching about it is hilarious Comer was no innocent shrinking violet either in on top of the goalkeeper screaming in his face after a score and Galway are the worst off the ball dragging and fouling team I've ever seen Kildare play against but to be fair to them they are big game men they have a winners mentality all momemtum was against them going into ET they had imploded yet they regained composure to win it that's impressive.

Dublin and Kerry both won pulling up plenty in the tank for their SF meeting if Con O Callaghan is back I'd fancy Dublin to beat Kerry and win it out.

MacDanger · 27-06-2022 10:39AM

Is that the first time there's been a black card given at IC level for mouthing off? It didn't affect the game hugely but it seemed a strange call. FWIW, I'd have no problem with refs implementing that rule so long as they gives teams fair warning that they're going to clamp down on that sort of thing

Treble double · 27-06-2022 10:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119255698#Comment_119255698

Yes really, wasn't impressed by Kerry at all yesterday. Mayo dominated them for a 10 minute period yesterday, if Dublin are allowed do that they will blow them out of the water.

Kerry massively reliant on a 34 year old midfielder and forwards in Geany and O Brien that have been around with years.

That defensive system hasn't been tested by a proper team yet either.

27-06-2022 11:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119255850#Comment_119255850

I watched it back on the Sunday Game and I think Kelly was done for "contributing to a melee"

From my viewing of it he was the first Galway player in when the squabbling started.

The ref, linesmen, umpires don't have the benefit of video reviews so I'd say that one or more of them saw Kelly being first or,one of the first in and communicated that to the ref.

His peacemaking efforts later were of no use, his fate was sealed.

By the way, there would be none of this messing if the contributing to a melee punishment was enforced.

Let two guys roll around in the grass all they like, the ref will deal with it, but if you join them you are in bother.

rogerywalters · 27-06-2022 11:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119255850#Comment_119255850

Yeah like you cant just send captains off if they havent done anything individually?

rogerywalters · 27-06-2022 11:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119255887#Comment_119255887

Screaming in someone's face vs eye gouging, are ye mental?

robbiezero · 27-06-2022 11:32AM

Dublin v Kerry might come down to who is the least afflicted by injuries.

Jack Barry and Spillane were big losses for Kerry yesterday and there will be doubts about Clifford. Barry generally does well on Fenton which would be huge for Kerry if they were to break even in that battle.

Con O'Callaghan is absolutely critical for the Dubs, if he is not back to fitness, Kerry win this game

Loafing Oaf · 27-06-2022 11:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119255802#Comment_119255802

I wonder will Galway really believe if they make the final. In the 2018 semi they didn't look truly convinced they could beat Dublin. Perversely coming from nowhere could strengthen Derry's self-belief against Kerry or Dublin...

doc_17 · 27-06-2022 11:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119255247#Comment_119255247

If he was “a man’s man” then he’d condemn some little sneak who gouged the eye of a man from behind when he wasn’t able to defend himself. But he won’t. That’s the measure of McGeeney.

Fattybojangles · 27-06-2022 11:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256210#Comment_119256210

There was nothing wrong with Galway's self belief in extra time and penalties yesterday especially after their implosion in normal time.

robbiezero · 27-06-2022 11:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256242#Comment_119256242

No manager in the GAA would do that, so I don't see why McGeeney should be judged if he doesn't.

DDC1990 · 27-06-2022 11:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256090#Comment_119256090

Yeah he was probably the next Galway player across with Comer, Morgan, Forker and Rian O'Neill already milling around.

Seems extraordinarily harsh. Nugent as well was maybe the 15th player in and he spent most of his time sending his own players down the tunnel.

There were some players obviously making things worse on both sides. Andrew Murnin jumped into a crowd of players. McDaid and Creeley threw each other to the ground. Armaghs sub goalkeeper was on the ground with Jack Glynn on top of him.

We need to stop these kinds of incidents. Sending off two of the more peaceful players (who will subsequently get off on appeal) is not the way to do things IMO.

I agree that the officials have it tough with no video evidence. No reason why it can't be used in the future though. Referees can communicate with the Hawkeye official already. No reason why that couldn't have been reviewed by a referee with a monitor. It would require a rule change obviously (and wouldn't be applicable outside of televised games) but Hawkeye is only available in limited cases as well so there is precedence there.

dobman88 · 27-06-2022 11:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119246255#Comment_119246255

Hope you enjoyed your day out anyway Mac

MacDanger · 27-06-2022 11:57AM

Was just looking at GAA Statsman (Tweets with replies by GAA Statsman (@gaa_statsman) / Twitter) there and the scoring figures make for bad reading from a Mayo perspective:

Shots taken:

Galway 31

Armagh 32

Kerry 28

Mayo 31

Dublin 30

Cork 26

Derry 31

Clare 26

Scored:

Galway 23 (74% accuracy overall, 72% from play, 83% from frees)

Armagh 21 (65%, 60%, 85%)

Kerry 19 (67%, 63%, 83%)

Mayo 13 (41%, 38%, 60%)

Dublin 21 (70%, 57%, 100%)

Cork 10 (38%, 31%, 57%)

Derry 18 (58%, 59%, 50%)

Clare 10 (38%, 31%, 57%)

Mayo's scoring efficiency was that of a D2 team.

One stat that stood out to me from the first game yesterday was that Armagh had 18 turnovers compared to 12 for Galway; it's rare that you'll see a team win when they lose the turnovers by that much (although Dublin lost on turnovers also, 6 v 10). I guess the high scoring efficiency compensated for that for both teams.

C__MC · 27-06-2022 12:00PM

Both semis are probably 50 - 50

Very hard to call even Galway / Derry,,

But Galway did run riot in the league game all be it with a big wind in the opening half.

That game was spicy enough, wasn't there like three red cards?

Would be hilarious if Galway won the Al before mayo.

Galway do seem to be a little bit frail, they've coughed up big leads under joyce.

C__MC · 27-06-2022 12:04PM

It's very hard to see dublin being able to hold that kerry attack. Their defence seems limp enough?

Thoughts?

Furze99 · 27-06-2022 12:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256090#Comment_119256090

"Let two guys roll around in the grass all they like, the ref will deal with it, but if you join them you are in bother."

Isn't it that sort of off the ball stuff that leads to schmozzles and melees? Long past time for GAA refs to give straight red cards for that carry on and f**k the managers, tradition and pundits.

elefant · 27-06-2022 12:10PM

A shootout of point scoring is a truly awful suggested alternative. Just imagine how dull that would be, and how pitiful an end it would've been for a game like yesterday's.

Gael85 · 27-06-2022 12:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256320#Comment_119256320

Agree our full back line will be cleaned. Murchan and Gannon are not natural corner backs. Byrne only back from injury.Mick Fitz and Cooper won't have the legs to mark Clifford/Geaney.

Con O'Callaghan chipped bone in ankle and Jack Barry has Fenton number so I think we will be in trouble. Conor Lane likely to referee so will be no handy frees for Dublin.

callaway92 · 27-06-2022 12:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256299#Comment_119256299

That guy doesn’t tag blocked shots by the way. Blocked shots account for about 10% of each teams’ shot total, so his totals don’t give full context at all

Blocked shots should be tagged as the shot ‘got off’

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2022 12:19PM

Derry will beat Galway and Dublin will beat Kerry.

27-06-2022 12:23PM

Am I the only one who thinks this moaning about losing on penalties is nonsense. Bad way too lose but what a win to win, bet them Galway lads will never forget that game.

As a player I can't think of a better test to see what your made of than facing the pressure of penalties. Would losing by a point next weekend make any of those Armagh players feel any better?

Penalties are box office stuff especially being so rare in GAA.

MacDanger · 27-06-2022 12:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256210#Comment_119256210

I think they will - that 2018 Dublin team was a machine so it's no surprise that Galway didn't believe they could beat them. Neither Dublin/Kerry of 2022 are near that level imo so Galway or Derry would think they have a decent chance in a one-off game

Bass Reeves · 27-06-2022 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256204#Comment_119256204

I be agreeing with this.

If Spillane and Barry are back but Dublin lads are not advantage Kerry b

If Callaghan and McCarthy are back but Kerry lads are not advantage Dublin.

I think that Callaghan is critical to Dublin, but with Kerry player is critical to Kerry. Spillane for his ability to break up counter attacks and Barry because of his ability to keep Fenton from influencing the game.

And all that is presuming that a Clifford is ok

StupidLikeAFox · 27-06-2022 12:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256414#Comment_119256414

I agree, penalties aren't perfect but there's no real credible alternative.

Replays make a balls of the scheduling and add too much uncertainty to the calendar

Point shootouts are essentially the same deal, no idea why they are supposed to be a better alternative

Pat Spillane talked about a golden score or having to win by 2. Having to win by 2 - you cant expect players to play indefinitely after almost 100 mins of play, they were all gassed after ET as it was.

Golden score might have some merit, it would definitely lead to a few dramatic minutes but again, could lead to an indefinite amount of playing time

Penalties are probably the least bad option

Fattybojangles · 27-06-2022 12:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119255779#Comment_119255779

Same with some of the windbags on here calling for the guards to be involved and lifetime bans etc twas one step away from oh won't someone think of the children from the simpsons stuff.

_NAGDEFY · 27-06-2022 12:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256414#Comment_119256414

Exactly.

Though I find the argument that 45s wouldn't be entertaining really funny. Considering the majority of today's inter county games have little entertainment anyway it's very ironic.

27-06-2022 12:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256512#Comment_119256512

Exactly at the end of the day somebody has to be the hero or the villain.

Maybe for the final there's merit in a replay certainly.

Charles Babbage · 27-06-2022 01:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119256559#Comment_119256559

If a game came to a shoot out then it must at least have been entertaining by being close, like yesterday's game.

elefant · 27-06-2022 01:03PM

Whatever about free kicks being a bad suggestion, 45s is even worse. You'd be getting scores like 2/5 each, then the next 10 missing and starting again.

Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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