Suspected case of Foot and Mouth in UK with rapid diversion into Agribusiness policies and politics.

Whether the organisation as a whole thought as you did or did not think as you did was and is irrelevant. They poorly represented their members , full stop.

A small number of people have made out like bandits at the farmers expense . It is only in the last two years that the pendulum has swung some small way towards the farmers . I would be of the opinion that the 2019 protests finally convinced a significant portion of farmers to reduce cattle numbers to a minimum .The resultant scarcity and online bidding has taken some of the wind out of the processors sails .

Fancy Jeeps etc bought with scheme & subsidy money, this comment is throw about allot.

Any farm with a newish jeep in this parish is bought with off farm employment as this vehicle is used for work, farm & family

That's the truth of it, people are using subsidy money to buy jeeps tractors and improve their farm if they work off farm, simple enough to pull in 10000 in subs now on a 30 ha farm and TAMS is improving the farms if farmers are prepared to work.

City dwellers aren't spoofing when they say farmers have it all...... an extra 7000/farm announced this week

Sure wasn’t GLAS supposed to be €5000/farm with GLAS + being an extra €2000, don’t know many that got the full amount. TAMs is great but you have to have the funds

Ah hold on you need to be pulled up on this "The moaning city dweller can get plenty of grant aid as well if they want to set up a business for example. There are no end of startup supports etc out there"

There is fook all for Business start ups. Nada Zilch. I have been through the process, I even had to pay towards the Start your own Business course and a couple of other course available. There is no start up grants unless you are investing north of 5 million or going to employ more than 100 people.

You can avail of a low cost loan up to €25k from the local enterprise board at a slightly reduced interest rate, but you'll pay back every cent. Them same enterprise boards will offer you Industrial space if you want but at a criminal rent so forget that one.

As soon as you open your doors for Business you are hit Commercial rates from day zero.

No end to startup supports my hole. Easily know you are of the Silver spooned landed Gentry

Why don't you read what you Google, show me where all these Grants are. You'll see that it's nothing more than Loans and Bullshite all wrapped up togather.

Ah here you know it all so.

As I said have a read through all those supports and come back and list the Grants available to a start up Business or just **** off with your Bullshite instead

Them Grants are only for very high opportunity start ups with high potential, they must have Intellectual property protection in place etc or for Tech startups with high potential and even then all they are really offering is maybe 12 months of office space in an incubation hub.

You are just frantically googling without reading the T&C's and trying to imply that there' loads of grants out there for startups. There's fook all. Give over the Bullsh1tting

I've no objection to grants for farmers, under the current EU CAP regime it is the correct course of action. You on the other hand are putting out blatant falsehoods about the availability of startup grants for Businesses outside of the Agriculture sector as a means to justify Agricultural Grants.

Anyway it's like talking to a wall at this stage.....so carry on

I got a good grant for a small business from the County enterprise board for a young fellow locally, also a friend got nearly 100% grant to set up a newspapershredder for animal bedding, so they are available

I cant say what the grant was for, but the newspaper shredding was a different case.

This might help. It has to be a business not in competition with another local business, Ideal for a new Idea.

https://www.localenterprise.ie/FAQs/

They say they're not going to grant aid businesses that put other businesses out of business and you can see their point

So your 'factory rep' has been telling you they have been increasing prices for the last 12 months plus!!

So has he been telling you this - or actually increasing prices? Do you know what a cartel is? A cartel fixes prices to advantage its members.

By definition a cartel must be lowering prices to its suppliers. So if it has INCREASED prices for 12 months it cannot be a cartel.

Apparently two weeks ago the average Irish price was HIGHER than the British and European average.

Prices have risen since January 2020. Taking an example of 30 month old r= animal. €3.45 a kg in august 2019. €5.35 flat for similar animals in an independent factory last week. €880 on a 440 kg carcass. €1000 is common across the board of stock.

Let’s call it 2€ differential. A 58% increase.

On carcass beef that then needs to be boned out. Assume 70% (They get nothing for trim, bone😉) it then requires for that 2€ Increase at farm gate the eu and British consumer price ( the real buyer) needs to be €2.80-€3.00 of an increase across all cuts to them to stand still excluding the increased processing costs, transportation and retail.

Consumer indexes are showing minute increases only. 4% or the region of 50cent a kg at most.

So who was pocketing the difference in 2019?

The real farce was yet to come.

The IFA agreed with Cormac Healy that Europe’s price they had dragged to the gutter was the benchmark they were only scraubing along then IFA and Fine Gael secured €1000000 from the taxpayers for cattle killed in the spring of 2020, With no external audit of processing industry and British retail profiteering whatsoever.

60 odd million of this wound up with producers. (These same consumers stumped up). Incredulously A further 70 million was paid directly to in grant aid to the cartel.

1.7 million cattle National kill at €500 per head differential is €860,000000. Out of the hands of a few and into the hands of many it does an awful lot of good.

why we are at a realistic price now is a perfect storm of circumstances.

This happened before after the horsemeat scandal. When waters settled they took the power again.