Suspected case of Foot and Mouth in UK with rapid diversion into Agribusiness policies and politics.

Donald Trump

I hope they get their act together over there and contain it if it is an actual case.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/suspected-case-of-foot-and-mouth-disease-on-uk-farm-41786007.html

Anyone else remember the 2001 outbreak? I remember there being mats soaked with disinfectant all over the place and trips to the UK being cancelled. I seem to remember that it was all done voluntarily but maybe I'm misremembering that.

Base price

It was done voluntarily. Marts, livestock and equestrian shows, football, rugby matches etc were cancelled and the movement of livestock was severely restricted. There was a more recent outbreak in 2007 in the UK and it was caused by contaminated effluent leaking from a laboratory. That outbreak was contained very quickly.

smallbeef

Hopefully its contained. Very different public perception of livestock farming in this cuntry now.

farawaygrass

The general public really played they’re part in helping to prevent the spread last time. Would be completely different story this time unfortunately

leoch

Will it be the excuse the cartel are looking for to pull beef prices further

whelan2

Initial tests are negative. Don't see why they go public and scare everyone before they get Initial results

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119243769#Comment_119243769

Because it’s about news rather than truth or facts.

headlines sell not content. Once you click the headline they’re winning.

bogman_bass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119243769#Comment_119243769

To be fair it if it was positive and they didn’t say anything there would be outrage

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119244834#Comment_119244834

Foot and Mouth ruled out .

Good loser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119243566#Comment_119243566

Funny kind of 'cartel' that has been increasing prices consistently for the last 12 months plus!

Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119246994#Comment_119246994

Same cartel that has beef prices now less than the price of Chicken or Pork

leoch

Good loser are u a factory rep by any chance cause u sound exactly like ours

Reggie.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119246994#Comment_119246994

Same crowd doing thier best to pull prices the last 2 weeks but are hitting resistance

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247318#Comment_119247318

Weak sellers'll be more common from now on too. A friend finally told an agent in the spring to ''buy the cattle at any price'' and will be taking what he gets in November.

And there's plenty of those around from now on

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247221#Comment_119247221

Maybe not, Maybe just someone living in the real world.

Talk of conspiracy is a bit childish, more power to them if there's enough soft sellers to do it.

Reggie.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247350#Comment_119247350

Ah I wouldn't say so. Many lads around here are playing hard with agents and refusing to be railroaded. In fairness most lads know what they have

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247673#Comment_119247673

Are you that sad that you're using IFAs arguments to get compensation for farmers (which actually succeeded in fairness) against them now.

And then more saddos claimed the factories got the compensation even though it came into the farmers postboxes.

How do you lobby for compensation only warn of the worst case scenarios, I doubt if anyone sent back their compensation, whinge or what

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119247799#Comment_119247799

No different than BPS then, you must be getting used to it now or do you claim any subsidies

Was any sent back,

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119250173#Comment_119250173

Many millions of euros have been got for farmers in the face of more deserving causes, However with the waste in the health services I certainly wouldn't consider that more deserving

Fair dues to anyone that runs a successful business in these times, My local processor that started in the 70s ,in a little shop where I now get my haircut, has a substantial factory now on a 100acre farm that he bought himself and a mansion of a house and he can now relax with a business for his two sons to take over.

It's there for anyone to do similar

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119250953#Comment_119250953

It is extremely easy to forget the contribution of both luck and the accident of timing when looking back on these things.

A person still has to work and get themselves into that position too. But it doesn't mean that if they did the same work at any point in time that they'd be as successful. It's a combination

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251206#Comment_119251206

My point is that to be begrudging of succesful people is unfair, it takes a lot of work in this country to get anywhere.

The guy in my example started by training as a butcher, and not from a wealthy family........

You could say now that dairy farmers are profiteering, yet it's happening

Local dairy farmer (1500 cows ) can't get labour, I wonder why

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251489#Comment_119251489

Average dairy herd is about 90 cows. So it's not very indicative to take an outlier of 1500 head.

Average tillage farm is just a bit over 100 acres as far as I know.

The analogy would be me pointing out a fella who has 1700 acres in tillage and using him as some kind of measure of tillage farmers.

GNWoodd

No one begrudges any business successful or not . But a lot of the wealth gained by a very small number of people in the meat industry has been made on the backs of the primary producer and this was allowed to happen by both governments and the farm organisations .

If the ‘ Build your own factory ‘ ideology was widespread in the IFA I am not surprised that primary producers were ridden for so long . Can you imagine a trade union having that as a way of thinking ?

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251663#Comment_119251663

i supported every protest so it's only since I've left IFA that I got away from the begrudgery by farmers.

Even though I physically supported the protests my thoughts were the same as they are now, I never agreed with them. they were a hiding to nothing.

I resigned from the livestock commitee when the protests started and resigned from County Chairman ten years later for the same reason. It was an idiots game.

Farmers knew that too but when they had someone foolish enough to put in the work, they took advantage.

So any inference that IFA thought as I did is BS, seeing as I had to step down to get away from the rubbish.

One thing that Beef Plan did was prove me right

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251657#Comment_119251657

The point I was making on teh 1500 cows was that if they paid enough they'd get help, farmers are no different than Goodman when they get the opportunity

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251853#Comment_119251853

Your analogy is only valid if working on that dairy farm is the only option for employment within a 50 mile radius of that location.

If the worker can get a handier/better-paid job, then they will do that. That might be why the farmer has difficulty. If Larry dropped his price in the morning and said it would stay dropped for the next 6 months, his factory wouldn't be empty because lads have no other option. They can get out of beef but they have to get rid of what they have

The workers' pay and conditions are also somewhat protected by statute.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251919#Comment_119251919

They're claiming to be underpaid for a long time now....... years and years. doesn't add credibility to any lobbying

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251833#Comment_119251833

Whether the organisation as a whole thought as you did or did not think as you did was and is irrelevant. They poorly represented their members , full stop.

A small number of people have made out like bandits at the farmers expense . It is only in the last two years that the pendulum has swung some small way towards the farmers . I would be of the opinion that the 2019 protests finally convinced a significant portion of farmers to reduce cattle numbers to a minimum .The resultant scarcity and online bidding has taken some of the wind out of the processors sails .

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119252268#Comment_119252268

If there is a reduction in beef cattle I'd say it's more due to the expansion of dairying than farmers cop on.

On representation there was plenty got for farmers, you only need look at the marts and fields, and the vehicles farmers are driving. bought with money from subsidies and schemes, whingeing won't improve cattle price and if alternative markets and processors aren't found , farmers'll be in the exact same position in a couple years again. processors won't be held to ransom for much longer.

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119252443#Comment_119252443

Fancy Jeeps etc bought with scheme & subsidy money, this comment is throw about allot.

Any farm with a newish jeep in this parish is bought with off farm employment as this vehicle is used for work, farm & family

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119252659#Comment_119252659

Not to mention that the jeep is likely a working machine and can be tax efficient. Given all regulations and testing requirements, a new yoke can be a lot cheaper to run than an old junker

Farmers with jeeps around here are mainly lads hauling cattle. Either their own or for others

What would you expect to see when you go to a mart? Lads with a Ford Fiesta aren't putting their bullocks into the boot - they're getting the neighbour with the jeep to bring them to the mart for them. No such thing as walking cattle to the mart now. I'd say the nearest one to here must be 40 miles

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119252659#Comment_119252659

That's the truth of it, people are using subsidy money to buy jeeps tractors and improve their farm if they work off farm, simple enough to pull in 10000 in subs now on a 30 ha farm and TAMS is improving the farms if farmers are prepared to work.

City dwellers aren't spoofing when they say farmers have it all...... an extra 7000/farm announced this week

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119253293#Comment_119253293

simple enough to pull in 10000 in subs now on a 30 ha farm

Can you let us know the simple way to do that please? We're stuck at about half that rate. I wasn't aware there was a simple way to get up to 330 per entitlement.

Could get up to 32k in total in grant aid towards building something. Total. Over the life of the scheme. The moaning city dweller can get plenty of grant aid as well if they want to set up a business for example. There are no end of startup supports etc out there.

Grant Aid is a contribution towards a capital cost. If you build a shed and get 32k in a grant, you can be guaranteed that the actual benefit towards you for that will work out at far less than 32k.

The city dwellers can also purchase land if they want to get this free money and get into whatever scheme they want. The only people getting free money in reality are those who happened to be producing during reference years and have now retired and have others producing and effectively paying the retired person money from their efforts. Just because the now retired person had a few cattle back in the day.

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119253293#Comment_119253293

Sure wasn’t GLAS supposed to be €5000/farm with GLAS + being an extra €2000, don’t know many that got the full amount. TAMs is great but you have to have the funds

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119253395#Comment_119253395

An example here beside me, 200/ha BPS 3000 glas, 2000 sheep welfare scheme, 2000 ANC.

He's paying a consultant 500/yr and never misses a scheme

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119253667#Comment_119253667

How do you know how much is BPS is per hectare? You can see his total on the database, but not how much it was per hectare. The man obviously keeps sheep so at least he is working. If he is getting 2000 quid he has 200 ewes. There are probably plenty of armchair farmers drawing down 200/ha and, on paper, "selling grass" off the land they own but never set foot onto from one end of the year to the next. Or renting out the land and BPS for a possibly tax free income.

So I wouldn't be trying to point the finger at the lad actually producing until the other situations is sorted.

No ANC in this area. And the welfare schemes incur costs. Most schemes do. You don't need to pay a lad 500 a year to tell you about them either.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119253699#Comment_119253699

There's very little cost to sheep welfare scheme, it's payment for what you should be doing any way.

The average BPS is 200/ha and everyone'll be there soon

Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119253395#Comment_119253395

Ah hold on you need to be pulled up on this "The moaning city dweller can get plenty of grant aid as well if they want to set up a business for example. There are no end of startup supports etc out there"

There is fook all for Business start ups. Nada Zilch. I have been through the process, I even had to pay towards the Start your own Business course and a couple of other course available. There is no start up grants unless you are investing north of 5 million or going to employ more than 100 people.

You can avail of a low cost loan up to €25k from the local enterprise board at a slightly reduced interest rate, but you'll pay back every cent. Them same enterprise boards will offer you Industrial space if you want but at a criminal rent so forget that one.

As soon as you open your doors for Business you are hit Commercial rates from day zero.

No end to startup supports my hole. Easily know you are of the Silver spooned landed Gentry

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254019#Comment_119254019

Not such much "landed gentry" as "able to use google". This is the first hit that comes up.

https://www.localenterprise.ie/Discover-Business-Supports/

A copy-and-paste from one of their pages:

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Local Enterprise Offices (LEOs) provide a range of financial supports designed to assist with the establishment and/or growth of enterprises (limited company, individuals/sole trader, cooperatives and partnerships) employing up to ten people.

These include:

• Feasibility Study Grants
• Priming Grants
• Business Expansion Grants
• Technical Assistance for Micro Exporters
• European Globalisation Fund
• New Agile Innovation Fund
• Brexit Supports for your Small Business
• Micro Finance Loans
• Digital Start

These financial supports are designed to provide a flexible suite of supports to LEO clients and potential clients

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Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254059#Comment_119254059

Why don't you read what you Google, show me where all these Grants are. You'll see that it's nothing more than Loans and Bullshite all wrapped up togather.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254072#Comment_119254072

170 of them according to the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment.

There are over 170 different government supports for Irish start-ups and small businesses.

https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/What-We-Do/Supports-for-SMEs/Which-support-is-for-you/

There is no point getting narky with me just because you don't know about them.

Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254086#Comment_119254086

Ah here you know it all so.

As I said have a read through all those supports and come back and list the Grants available to a start up Business or just **** off with your Bullshite instead

Donald Trump

Enterprise Ireland

We provide funding and supports for companies - from entrepreneurs with business propositions for a high potential start-up through to large companies expanding their activities, improving efficiency and growing international sales.

https://www.enterprise-ireland.com/en/funding-supports/

Or you can look to the likes of NDRC which is the government funded accelerator for tech start-ups

https://www.ndrc.ie/

There is not much point getting thick at me. I've already given you some links above of possible grants that are available. The priming grant is 50% of up to maximum 150k for example. And that is for start-ups.

Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254120#Comment_119254120

Them Grants are only for very high opportunity start ups with high potential, they must have Intellectual property protection in place etc or for Tech startups with high potential and even then all they are really offering is maybe 12 months of office space in an incubation hub.

You are just frantically googling without reading the T&C's and trying to imply that there' loads of grants out there for startups. There's fook all. Give over the Bullsh1tting

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254151#Comment_119254151

And what use is a TAMS grant for a slatted shed for a fella who has no cattle or plans to have cattle? Why would a man spend 100k on a slatted unit to try to get 32k back in grants if all he does is grow 100 acres of wheat and barley? 40% is all well and good for a LESS tanker. But how many farmers are going out and spending 40k+VAT on a 3000 gallon tanker? Ask a 70 year man with 40 acres in Mayo how he's spending all his free income from that particular grant.

If people want to moan about the general availablity of grants that are theoretically possible for farmers and extrapolate that into "sure all farmers are getting loads of free money", then they can't be whinging about "small print" on all the other grants which are available to non-farmers. In theory, plenty of those grants listed above are available to you. The same way that that 70 year old Mayo man theoretically can get a free 16k in grants (just for spending north of 50k on a tanker).

Here is a agri-related startup which is mentioned on some of those pages I linked to above.

https://www.cainthus.com/

They appear to have gotten various supports. Their address is in dogpatch labs in the CHQ building in Dublin city centre.

Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254180#Comment_119254180

I've no objection to grants for farmers, under the current EU CAP regime it is the correct course of action. You on the other hand are putting out blatant falsehoods about the availability of startup grants for Businesses outside of the Agriculture sector as a means to justify Agricultural Grants.

Anyway it's like talking to a wall at this stage.....so carry on

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254245#Comment_119254245

All I did was respond to the point about city dwellers moaning about agricultural grants being available with the 100% true fact that there are grants available outside of agriculture. I never said that there are guaranteed for anyone and everyone.

You might not qualify for them with your business. The same way that a particular farmer might not qualify for a particular agri grant.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254245#Comment_119254245

I got a good grant for a small business from the County enterprise board for a young fellow locally, also a friend got nearly 100% grant to set up a newspapershredder for animal bedding, so they are available

Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254337#Comment_119254337

What did you do with the grant? and did your friend use the young fellow to get a grant too?

(better not tell us the nature of the Business)

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119254445#Comment_119254445

I cant say what the grant was for, but the newspaper shredding was a different case.

This might help. It has to be a business not in competition with another local business, Ideal for a new Idea.

https://www.localenterprise.ie/FAQs/

Easten

Again niche areas which the funding is very vague, guidelines blurred and often use a referral method to award grants. So basically it's about who you know. But on a whole the following are excluded for grants or support for those areas such as retail enterprises, personal services (eg hairdressers, gardeners, creches etc), professional services (accountants, solicitors etc), construction/local building services, Automobile services (Garages, Forecourts, Sales outlets etc) or any Manufacturing enterprise which may also have a direct competitor in the area.

So unless it's a totally unheard of Business or one of those tech startups that they can put into one of those wasted taxpayers money incubation hubs for Graduates that refuse to leave the Education system then you get Fook all