Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

22-06-2022 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236061#Comment_119236061

Why do you keep thinking if someone is paying cash it's the employer at fault.

Everyone on welfare has a responsibility for their own entitlement to that payment. You can be payed cash legitimately but not disclosing it is the person's fault.

When you sign on you're told of the requirements, however the job pays you is of no consequence to that aspect.

The issue at hand would be tax in terms of the employers requirements.

22-06-2022 05:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236047#Comment_119236047

Except, that their employment is unlikely to provide the income to needed to support themselves and their dependents.. and so, they will continue to need State supports to live. And secondly, the requirements needed for many jobs have been lowered just so Ukrainians could be employed... so not that impressive.

As others have pointed out, many of such positions are seasonal/temporary. You're grasping at every straw to proclaim how wonderful everything is. TBH you remind me of the government response when the Ukrainian conflict first kicked off. Ahh sure, everything will be fine. No worries. Shame on anyone for being critical... and look where we've ended up with that kind of attitude.

road_high · 22-06-2022 05:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236059#Comment_119236059

They seem to be very common…I’d hazard a guess that these people pay fcuk all tax either (seen as they have the time for all The associated virtue signalling)

https://youtu.be/67o3yURfOxY

22-06-2022 05:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236077#Comment_119236077

Ukraine isn’t a member of the EU. I took her point as we have a severe housing crisis and we just don’t have the capacity for unlimited numbers. That is just the harsh reality. Vast majority of Ukrainians who came are still in temporary accommodation as there is no where to put them all.

There’s 20 properties for rent in my entire county. Where are all these people to go? Europe is huge continent its not as if they’ll have to stay in the Ukraine if a cap is placed here, there’s other countries.

The sensible thing to do at the start would have been for the government to see what capacity do they have and once that has been met, pause Ukrainians coming in until they can increase that capacity.

Do you think this current approach is sustainable? How many Ukrainians do you think this small island already in a housing crisis before this war can sustain before it gets too much that the whole system collapses? If 500K came before Christmas would that be fine? The government’s own report mentioned a risk to social cohesion because of the state of housing market and the pressure unlimited refugees will further put on that. We’re a small country with limited resources , we have to be realistic. We’re not able to absorb huge numbers especially given our current circumstances like big countries can.

22-06-2022 05:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236122#Comment_119236122

Because of corruption and treatment of minorities Ukraine will struggle to get into the EU.

Nope. they will have a list of 35 chapters of the acquis they have to meet fully before they can join and both of the above are included

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquis_communautaire#Chapters_of_the_acquis

There is also a clause in the EU that any country with over 50 million people wishing to join the EU would need to be voted on unanimously.

Nope, regardless of the size of the applicant, per the Maastricht Treaty, each current member state and the European Parliament must agree to any enlargement. Either way, Ukraine had 43 million before the war.

Unless the EU change the rules they will be another Turkey.

Turkey's process has been halted as they've gone backwards since the coup in terms of freedoms and the rule of law.

Dempo1 · 22-06-2022 05:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236145#Comment_119236145

You are correctish but there's an incentive for an employer to pay cash also for a number of reasons, but in the context of SW ,apart from spot checks in places of employment, the main source of information regarding someone on SW and working, is payroll data submitted regularly by employers which is legally required, that data through PPS numbers identifies who's claiming for example full jobseekers, when they shouldn't be.

Dempo1 · 22-06-2022 05:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236152#Comment_119236152

Excellent points as usual, there are those who honestly believe that finding a Job suddenly and immediately stops the cost burden on the state , as I've said I believe the vast majority who find jobs will be in low income roles, there's already been chatter about employers unable to verify really Excellent qualifications, Engineers, pharmacists etc so even the most highly skilled Ukranian may find themselves in lower paid jobs and for quite some time.

Long term, Housing and SW supports will be needed for a very very long time regardless of who finds employment or not .

Dempo1 · 22-06-2022 05:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236178#Comment_119236178

My Swedish not great but foul language fluent 😏

Boggles · 22-06-2022 05:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236182#Comment_119236182

Ukraine isn’t a member of the EU

No one suggested it was, You need to go back and listen to what Ms. Nolan actually said, she has a problem with inward migrated as a whole.

Dempo1 · 22-06-2022 06:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236077#Comment_119236077

Clearly hearing what you wanted to hear again Boggles.

So a reasonable question based on emergency homelessness, even you must be aware off (10k) , Hotels bursting at the seams , people unable to find rental accommodation or even afford it if they get it, flood gates opened making an already appalling situation worse, please , please , please explain why you believe the question or what you assume is an equation, is not ligitmate 🤔

She wasn't asked a question she was shouted down my a bully talking nonsense about an entirely different matter and by the way , it was her Question slot and the ministers obligation to answer.

You just won't give up 🙄

Boggles · 22-06-2022 06:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236289#Comment_119236289

She specifically equated people requiring emergency accommodation with inward migration.

She wants a discussion on a cap on all inward migration, now that would be nonsense for a lay person to dribble out but for an elected representative to put it on government record, she either does not care or is too stupid to realise her dangerous rhetoric.

Either way I wouldn't be voting for her on the back of her performance today.

I wouldn't vote for that clown of a housing minister either.

Strumms · 22-06-2022 06:19PM

I wonder how the “ let them all in and throw houses, healthcare, cash and everything we have at them “ will react when things going the way of the British and our quality of life gets so diluted that a push to leave the EU is seen as the lesser of two evils as will probably happen.

Boggles · 22-06-2022 06:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236152#Comment_119236152

And secondly, the requirements needed for many jobs have been lowered just so Ukrainians could be employed

Which ones?

0ph0rce0 · 22-06-2022 06:23PM

No caps, place fills up, where do we put them?

In brand new houses that's where.

All these people are going nowhere. Temporary protection my arse.

New houses are going to be thrown out to them all over the country wait and see.

Absolute gobshites running the country.

Dempo1 · 22-06-2022 06:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236315#Comment_119236315

But do you not honestly believe what's going on is unsustainable, we're are migrants to live, she wants a debate, discussion on a cap , I honestly don't believe that unreasonable even if temporary.

We are fortunate that the situation hasn't collapsed as is , there'll be less hotel rooms soon, I don't believe government will reach anywhere near the targets for temporary accommodation and even if they did, is this really appropriate. Hotel rooms will be available in winter but again is this really sustainable or appropriate. I shudder to think if the original predictions on numbers happened, we'd literally have tent city's all over the country and that's not an exaggeration.

I just don't feel an unreasonable question was asked whatever side of this debate your on.

Strumms · 22-06-2022 06:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236337#Comment_119236337

Yep.

a massive number will stay. Country is going to be in an absolute jocker over these decisions.

Boggles · 22-06-2022 06:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236354#Comment_119236354

I think people need to calm down and stop with the knee jerk window licking nonsense. Especially elected officials who want a debate on the fundamentals of our EU membership. She is either an absolute crank or one of our all too frequent bottom feeding politicians who see an opportunity to garner more votes on the back of populous nonsense.

Our housing market is a basket case, it wasn't long ago we were bulldozing housing estates and guess what, we still had 1000s of people in emergency accommodation.

Right now it's a sellers market, some would argue they were due one, there is nearly 17,000 properties for sale just on Daft, the country is in full time employment and is awash with money, competitive interest rates and the usual frenzy is driving it.. Assets that don't really depreciate long term will always be sought after in those conditions.

It will pass, it always does.

What we need to do in the mean time is complete ignore cranks talking about caps on inward migration. I've no doubt the God fearing politician would like us to revert back to a time like the 80s, but IMO fúck that.

Strumms · 22-06-2022 06:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236387#Comment_119236387

Jesus, 17,000 for sale on daft… these are not 17,000 empty properties… or spare properties, they are people selling, in the main to buy somewhere else.

had kids, need more rooms

kids left, are downsizing

and dozens more reasons.

Boggles · 22-06-2022 06:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236425#Comment_119236425

Well no, because of the market conditions and what landlords consider government over reach into the market, many of them will be 2nd or 3rd properties, or "small" landlords exiting the market.

In this current market staying put until it passes if you are home owner is a far more prudent move.

Strumms · 22-06-2022 06:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236436#Comment_119236436

I’d say landlords will happily remain in the market as the value of the property both rental value and resale value will be rising for a few years.

supply vs demand.

22-06-2022 06:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233725#Comment_119233725

Nope, he's just a Brit with 3 properties! Two in the UK, one in Kerry. Currently he is in Kerry.

22-06-2022 07:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119234120#Comment_119234120

unlike you I actually have had a busy day away from Boards (thank God) and only reading stuff now. Why is it surprising that someone would own a stunning house in the English countryside (and I never said it was worth millions, but that's beside the point). This man is a widower, no kids, house No 1 (marital home) in UK is rented out, House No 2 in UK was left to him by a wealthy aunt who died a year ago, his house in Ireland is their holiday home where he mostly resides. . When he doesn't he minds an elderly mother in her house in UK.

Plenty of people have lots of money and lots of properties, different circumstances. The fact you question a person having multiple properties shows you are a bit naïve to be honest.

titan18 · 22-06-2022 07:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236315#Comment_119236315

Heres something you might understand.

If you have a glass, do you keep pouring water into it when it's full since it's more water or do you stop when it overflows.

Cos were overflowing and there isn't enough to go around here.

22-06-2022 07:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236460#Comment_119236460

So, where is he staying in Kerry if a family of 8 are dossing in his gaff.

Boggles · 22-06-2022 07:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236446#Comment_119236446

They are getting out of the market in their droves.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0518/1299725-rental-market-research/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/more-landlords-than-ever-putting-properties-up-for-sale-say-new-figures-1.4819871

22-06-2022 07:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236503#Comment_119236503

Our glass has loads of spare capacity

Strumms · 22-06-2022 07:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236525#Comment_119236525

Many people don’t believe so. Not for the influx that some are desiring.

22-06-2022 07:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236061#Comment_119236061

The Ukranians asked to be paid in cash. The host they are staying with did the asking for them as they don't speak English. This host is an old friend of my employers and lives just up the road so my employers felt they couldn't say no.

Beasty · 22-06-2022 07:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236550#Comment_119236550

That is an issue for the employer

22-06-2022 07:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119236506#Comment_119236506

He is staying with them obviously. It's his house here in Ireland. How would they have got anywhere in rural Kerry without the owner having a car to take them to local town , post office etc. They were all together for 5 weeks but Ukrainian family have since got re-homed in Killarney.

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