Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

Rents collapsed with prices so it was easy to hold.

Yes there were plenty of warnings. Northern Rock Bank went bust a year before 08 collapse. Eyes turned to Anglo after that culminating in the Patrick's day share price collapse. There was a primetime docu warning of high risks in the system.

Note there were warnings right through the noughties escalating on the introduction of 100% mortgages but they were more frequent in 07/08, leading to Berties suicide comment about people talking down.

Daft and real estate alliance reports are amongst the better reports out there for a view of where the market is at but no substitute for your own leg work in the area you intend to buy

Mortgage fraud is up in the States. I know the central bank have strict rules about lending but before a crash they usually go out the window. It'd be interesting to see fraud stats for here. I had a look but couldn't find any.

I was planning to buy in the next 12 months assuming i could find the right property of course but i think i'll be tolding tight for now.

Dense developments are badly needed in the cities, as the alternative is sprawl and more traffic.

Attitudes against dense development is why we have endless housing estates as far as the eye can see, and chronic traffic issues.

interesting to note that prices here are now generally 40pc higher than the average across the European Union

Combined housing costs such as rents, mortgage rates, gas and electricity, are again the most expensive at 89pc above the EU average

has to be food for thought for anyone thinking of coming to holiday, do business or live here .. we are going to eventually price ourselves out of certain markets

if you follow economists especially academic ones, long enough, you realize most of them are charlatans.

I do agree we need dense developments, but this need seems to have given developers a kind of carte blanche to build the densest, highest, ugliest things they can and anyone who objects is branded a NIMBY and told to shut up.

There's definitely a space in between developers throwing up cheap ugly housing and NIMBY-ism objecting to everything. Good design is (you'd think anyway) a staple of architecture and building. With this push for accelerated building we've actual been given an amazing opportunity to create great spaces for people to live in but I'd imagine the simplest solution for developers is what we're going to see more and more of.

We're kind of agreeing here though, I've no issue with density as long as it's done right visually. A lot of objections I see are coming from folks saying that they've no problem with new developments in their area, just to please make them look visually appealing and not just a huge mass of concrete and glass with no consideration given to the area around it.

I suppose the problem is, visual flair and consideration costs more money. Why would developers bother spending more when they can just pack in as many apartments as possible?

Its just starting to give me shades of all the corpo flats that were thrown up as a matter of urgency to replace the falling down tenement buildings. They served their purpose and housed people, but ultimately now are ugly as sin and being torn down in a lot of cases.

How is yer wan at the end with her objection essay letter..climate change, mental health, removal of trees for the bridge, biodiversity

....and she still she could write more.

Town planners per se are not qualified to make these judgements any more than the lay person. AFAIK they have no formal training in design other than maybe a couple of urban design units which is more about master planning rather than individual built form.

Typically aesthetics can be addressed through 'Design guidelines' incorporated as part of planning policy. But when an application needs assessment for compliance with any design guidelines, the application could be referred to a specialist design review panel to review and make reccomendations. The panel would typically be made up of qualified persons such as highly experienced Architects.

But it does add another layer of red tape into the development approval process and design is always going to be subjective and potentially controversial. Thats when politics enters into the mix and it can get messy.

Edit: this may already occur in some form - I have not looked into the planning process in DCC specifically.

The irl v EU figures on cost of living show yet again just like housing Government are the main cause of the disparity going by the sectors involved

Sectors with excessive govt meddling/regulation are the big hitters while on cloths, consumer electronics we have cheaper prices