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What Toyota Imports Are Being Targeted By Thieves ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    surely someone would know that


    1 - Their car is a Japanese/Korean import

    2 - That it doesn't have an immobiliser


    You don't need gardai to give a list to you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭walshtipp


    An immobiliser is not a standard piece of equipment on cars in Japan. This is because there is very little car crime there. Without an immobiliser a car can be hot wired. If your Prius has an immobiliser you will usually see a red flashing light somewhere in the car when the immobiliser is active.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,480 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Toyota Aqua is a favorite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭ozmo


    >However, they advised anyone who owns a Japanese import to consider fitting old-style steering wheel locks to secure their vehicles. 

    very bad advice - I had a steering lock on my old car and it was removed - steering lock also broken - it just takes a heavy hand to break them...

    Only thing that saved my car from being taken was the old school Two immobilisers that were on it - (one rfid built into the key - and one from the ancient alarm being on)

    “Roll it back”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭User1998


    Prius is fine



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,414 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    They are not being stolen for commercial gain, just for joyriding because the level of knowledge and tools required would fit inside your jeans pocket. Even if you fit an immobiliser the fact that it has the square rear plate and other differences identifying it a mile off as an import will make it a constant target for being robbed. If I had one myself I would fit a full wheel lock and good alarm as a deterrent.

    To rid the country of the problem the NCT should be changed so that all these vehicles require an immobiliser to be fitted before they can be given the first NCT, that would kill off the problem over a short span of time. That or insurance companies not offer cover unless an immobiliser installed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    how is anyone getting insurance on one of these in the first place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,414 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    No insurance company with any sense of responsibility to their shareholders or the safety of other motorists on the road should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,569 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Anyone with an interest in cars would know but lot's of car buyers wouldn't put it at the top of the priorities list.

    They would be more interested in the colour, the sound system etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Girl Geraldine


    If the nct required import vehicles to be modified to have immobilisers, the whole jap import market would collapse overnight.

    The other thing is that retrofitting an immobiliser is not like it used to be. It used to be just some intercept on an ignition or starter circuit. Integrating an immobiliser into a modern software driven car with multiple networked controller modules is likely to be either a) impossible outright, b) practically impossible to achieve for the average mechanic or auto electrician or main dealer c) prohibitively expensive if the particular expertise can be found, or c) if it were achieved, it could lead to all sorts of bizzare corruptions and ongoing bugs with the electronics of the car, which often are intractable or very difficult to impossible to fix.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭eirman


    So, harking back to my original question ... What are these vulnerable jap makes / models ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,414 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    All that were imported and identifiable as such is the simple answer. If the 4th generation Prius (what you have) came with an immoboliser as standard and thieves know this it may not be a target, if some of them did and some didn't it will be a target. Generally the thieves see the square plate on the back and assume no immobiliser and will try. The usual method to gain access is to either bend back the top of the drivers door to open it or to put a screwdriver in to the lock and disable it. A good visible steering lock/chain and alarm might deter best.

    Here's a prime example of what's going on, a Vitz (Jap Yaris) attempted to be stolen multiple times...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭eirman


    I presume the Square Plate on you are referring is the number plate. I didn't know that!

    (My Prius has a regular rectangular, one-line plate).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    The ones they’re after is the Aqua and Vitz, specifically the ones that don’t have keyless entry/keyless start.

    it’s as simple as grabbing the lock with a vise-grip and breaking it off. Then manually turning the ignition switch.

    I think some Mazda Demios (Mazda2 JDM model) are similarly easy to steal too.

    These shouldn’t really be sold here without this basic piece of equipment. You’ll often know from looking at the keys that they don’t have an immobiliser chip.


    Far as I know all Prius models have keyless start (?) so probably wouldn’t be targeted

    I think everything sold new here since 1996 has an immobiliser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,289 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Japanese cars intended to be sold in Europe will have a factory fitted immobilizer to prevent them being stolen without the key. However the ones that are easy for thieves to take are those that were originally sold on the Japanese domestic market that don't have an immoblizer fitted (car thieft is very low in Japan), and then imported to Ireland years later as used cars. Lots of European makes originally sold in Japan are now being imported from Japan too, the likes of BMWs, Audis and VWs. Not sure if they have a factory immoblizer fitted either. The shape of the rear number plate surround really isn't an indication anymore either as many now come with the same shape as original European models.

    Toyota Aqua/Vitz, Honda Fit/Grace or Nissan Kube would be the ones I'd most wary of. They were never originally sold here so tend to be on the radar of thieves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭User1998


    All of the ‘German’ Jap imports have a factory alarm & immobiliser fitted



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Honda jap stuff is also renowned for being stolen. Fit, Grace ,Old model Civic Hybrids are the main culprits - I sell serious amounts of steering locks for these models.

    To be honest I blame a lot of the places selling these - They are selling the Fits as Jazz, Grace as Civic hybrids,Old Model Hybrid as the same as the EU models....the Grace was never sold in Europe.

    There seems to be an influx of the grace lately with one seller in the dublin area selling all of his graces as "civic hybrids" -- Hes even telling people that they have the same parts as the new model civic. Nothing on them is the same as the civic and parts are taking 3-6 months to get for them. Shouldnt be allowed even from a consumers point of view. Ive one customer whos "Civic Hybrid ie Grace" is waiting on shocks for the NCT - 6 months wait on them at the minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    I was wondering when this resurrection of larger scale 2nd hand Japanese imports would start going pete tong.

    Its a perfect storm of....

    1) Brexit reducing the amount of Uk imports.

    2) supply issues on new cars reducing the amount of trade ins that would normally go to the used car market.

    The problem also is that sellers are just getting into them as a source of supply for today.

    Rather then actually specialising in JDM imports for the long haul and getting the back up correct.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Exactly and they dont care what shite they put into the market as long as its another sale and theres a few quid to be made!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Big name dealers at it too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭goochy


    i cant see how insurance companies are insuring these odd ball models ? its a minefield

    regarding main dealers , a large ford dealer in Limerick and a VW dealer in Laois ( they seem to still be main dealer ? ) are selling jap imports .



  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭Pythagorean


    I have a '92 corolla, import, should I be worried ? 🤔



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Not really. Plenty of car alarm brands produce Canbus compatible alarm/immobiliser systems. If anything they're often easier to fit compared to old style setups as they're more "plug and play". I know a chap with a fancy BMW(2020 model IIRC), who concerned about the ease they can be sometimes stolen by hijacking the fob remotely got a third party system fitted. I think it's a Clifford, though maybe a Viper.

    On so many levels. 😜 Nah, fair play. My 90's Corolla won't start. Said no one, ever. 😁👍️

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    This. Those steering locks can even be an advantage for the thieves, because they can use them as a lever to break the built in steering lock. Plus they're daftly easy to bypass anyway. The best of the designs covers the entire wheel, but they're at best awkward to deal with.

    If you have one of these more targeted cars the best solution is properly fitting a third party alarm/immobiliser. By properly I mean well hidden by the installer, not behind an easily accessible panel under the steering wheel and put the siren somewhere other than under the bonnet in the engine bay where 90% are placed and far too accessible. Get them to add a relay which also triggers the car's horn. A siren and a car horn going at the same time will get attention. A clearly visible alarm LED well away from where the alarm brain is located so thieves can see it another. Stickers advertising the car is alarmed adds another layer.

    Now some might contend advertising what alarm is fitted helps the thieves figure ways around it, but let's face it this isn't Hollywood and in the vast majority of cases these thieves aren't rocket surgeons. One of the main reasons certain cars become "fashionable" to steal is that one or two bright sparks figure out(or read it on the interwebs) simple steps to steal a particular model of car and these simple steps get passed along to the rest. Block or interrupt even one of these simple steps will slow them right down, block two and you'll almost certainly stop them in their tracks. They're also opportunists. If you protect your car when the majority on your road/area don't, they'll just move to easier prey.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Would an isolation switch on the battery help, or better still bring a fused cable direct from battery and fit an isolation key switch in a consealed area in cab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,874 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Some cars give errors if battery has been disconnected for a while. Things like ABS lights may stay on and only go off after the second time starting with the battery reconnected. For the first trip the abs may be disabled.

    A simple isolation switch with a plastic key removed from the vehicle may add a simple extra step from a common thief. I would not rely on it alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Yes’m the guys stealing these are bottom level amateurs for joyriding



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    When I drove JDMs without immobilisers I used to wire a kill switch to the ignition live coming from the ignition switch off the back of the ignition barrell or from the starter solenoid or in one case I had 2 switches fitted.

    The switch was hidden (usually in the glove box or even in the boot ) and to start the car the switch (or switches) had to be in the right position. Unless you knew where the switch was there was no way that car was starting.

    Costs less than a tenner and will secure any jap import against theft.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    All cars sold in the EU since 1996 are required to have an immobilizer.

    No such regulations in Japan.

    Any Japanese second hand import is unlikely to have an immobilizer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭User1998


    Not really true. There are only a handful of Jap imports without immobilisers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    Yeah, immobilisers are a lot more common on Japanese market models now, but they are still not a mandatory requirement there. It's the cheaper models without keyless ignition that are more likely to have no immobiliser.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yep Hellrazer, the simple ways are often the best alright. 👍️Though the solenoid kill is the better of the two as the ignition barrel one is too easy to spot and bypass. Another is to interrupt the fuel pump along its path. Though again it was ironically far easier to do all this kinda thing with the older more "analogue" cars and so many options to stop it going. Canbus type setups can get twitchy with that sorta thing.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Only easy to spot if you did it right at the switch. The trick is to use the ignition live further down the wiring loom so it cant be seen if the cowls are removed.

    I agree that the solenoid is the more secure but its also more difficult to self install if you arent technically minded.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 Matinclunn


    There is a Toyota aqua in or household fresh import has keyless entry with push button start and it does have a factory fitted immobiliser and an alarm system. It seems to be the lower grade models with a standard key ignition that have no immobiliser. I remember the dealer pointing this fact out when we were looking at his available Toyota aquas stock, he advised if buying the lower grades standard key start model bring it to get a security system fitted asap. If in doubt get it checked out and have a good quality alarm and immobiliser fitted budget €500 into your costs. Beats having your new purchase taken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    the problem is that they will still wreck your car breaking into it because they think they can take it, and may still find the kill switch, its not 100%



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Theyre going to break in to it anyway and wreck it if they are that way inclined. Id much prefer to have a car with a broken steering lock / cowls that could be repaired than one thats been driven all over the place by little joyriding scumbags that needs a lot more work including mechanical and body damage to get back on the road.

    If you are "creative" with the location and installation of the kill switch it is actually 100% - not one jap import Ive put a switch in has been actually driven away - they have still been attempted but not one has been started - Ive probably fitted 20 at this stage for various people.

    What I see is that even if they break the lock and cowls and it doesnt start first time they usually move on to their next victim.


    Its a deterrent -and thats all you need to stop your car being the one that is stolen.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    On a similar note Ive just had a call this evening from a really good customer of mine who wanted to buy a new HRV - They havent been released here yet but there is a dealer bringing in Honda Vezels - Japanese import HRV hybrids. The dealer in question has a couple of 2021s and told my customer they had 3 years manufacturer warranty.


    Just to let people know that Japanese imports even if its only a few months old have ZERO manufacturer warranty here in Europe - dont get scammed by these dealers selling fresh Jap Imports. Something goes wrong and you are out of luck with Honda Europe sorting you out.

    You have been warned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    I understand what you are saying, but disagree, they only target what they think they can take

    Even a steering wheel lock would put them off and is easier and cheaper

    i'd prefer them to not being doing the few hundred in damage before they realize it won't start, there's no winning in that happening



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭goochy


    I see fairly recent landcruiser Prados with wing mirrors are popping up for sale.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    I`d have to disagree that they only target what they think they can take - We`ve had customers with Irish Hondas having attempted theft - the scummers that break in are that stupid they cant tell a Jap one from an Irish one and break in anyway!!!!

    As for steering locks - depending on what one you buy they can actually make the damage more severe as they use the lock to lever the steering wheel and instead of just a steering lock and cowls you might need a steering wheel as well!!

    A steering wheel lock is the best deterrent but if they can get it off they will still drive the car away. With a kill switch they wont.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I`d have to disagree that they only target what they think they can take - We`ve had customers with Irish Hondas having attempted theft - the scummers that break in are that stupid they cant tell a Jap one from an Irish one and break in anyway!!!!

    Exactly H. Too often we give far more credit to the intelligence of the people involved than they deserve. The vast majority are opportunists triggered by basic stuff like a brand they think they can take and the simple learned by rote ways to take certain models.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Too often we give far more credit to the intelligence of the people involved than they deserve.


    Exactly - the majority of them probably could not even spell "Honda" or "Jazz" or "Fit" - they just look at the badge!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    look lots of people over estimate their own intelligence on here too 😁

    Its a simple to target the right car, given that exactly what they are doing given the articles linked and a few people in the area who I know have cars taken (seems to be a jap import mecca around here)

    even above they are still targeting what they think they can take, even if we assume they tried to break in due to a case of mistaken identity

    The steering wheel lock is like most security there to put people off

    it put people off taking my pre 1996 car for about 10 years until I got lazy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭goochy


    cars involved in Cherry orchard joyriding incidents are surprise surprise japanese imports , we are going to go back to the joyriding epidemic of the 80s and 90s again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Except this time the gardai aren't going to give chase, and they won't ram or block the stolen car.

    It's not worth the hastle of a gsoc investigation for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Both were Toyota Aqua models.

    Joyriding epidemic might be a bit strong though. I think it is a general law and order issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭goochy


    its easy to forget that these cars are peoples pride and joy , alot of Asian people seem to buy them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,874 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Many steering locks can be opened with a nail scissors. Sometimes they cut the steering wheel to get the lock off.

    A disable switch is simple and has prevented many thefts. Main downside is you need to switch it each time leaving car unless you get more advanced auto set option.



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