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Russia - threadbanned users in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Fwiw, just checked back in, Yurt2 is not a moderator or even the OP.


    They think that the thread has feelings and are repeatedly attempting to stifle conversation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ah that's an affliction we all have and it gets stronger when we are on the defensive. The poster is expressing an opinion about your opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Ironic really given the thread topic that the would be enforcers on this thread rule iron fist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Moral arguments have no place in the game of foreign policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    To be honest, I don't think it's anywhere near that. There is a big difference in discussion and having to listen to conspiracy theory nonsense like the below post 👇

    There is a habit of people just using any old excuse for hating America to try and justify Putins behavior here. We all know that the US has been a party to some bad things, but that can't be used to justify someone's actions now.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Did you get a truncheon with your brown shirt and enforcer head scarf?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    If you read the post again you'll see I quoted your post in relation to your conspiracy theory nonsense.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are you under the illusion boards.ie is a democracy? 🤨😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Yes, because we all love clicking on the thread and reading another student union level diatribe about Yemen and Saudi Arabia.

    Don't care how I'm viewed, I thought everyone who uses the thread was sick of that sh*te.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭zv2


    In a way Russia is worse. Putin has been on a campaign of mass murder since he was elected and official Russian war policy is barbaric. I remember once reading about how barbaric Russia is from an article written in 1900. Can't locate it though. Russia's barbarism goes a long way back.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭omeara1113




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,022 ✭✭✭✭josip


    It was all the Ukrainians fault for not making peace with the invading Mongol horde way back in the day. Russia missed out on the Renaissance and has a societal acceptance of barbarism ever since.

    The Effects of the Mongol Empire on Russia - GeoHistory



  • Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A 40% attrition rate with Russian Troops sent to Ukraine:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqVZ4xIyvx0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Ya they are and if you don’t engage in with the bullshit it can only hit the wall once.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nah, they’d keep coming back, it’s why there’s a wall of thread banned in the OP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Can we all just agree that Russia invading another sovereign state, raping and killing it's citizens and destroying it's infrastructure is a bad thing which must be stopped? If we can, then as Russia doesn't do diplomacy, that leaves sanctions and direct (military) action to force them to stop. Sanctions have to come from the rest of the world to curtail Russia's ability to wage war. At the same time to prevent further loss of territory and loss of civilian life in Ukraine; materials for war must be supplied to Ukraine as they are the only ones physically fighting against the destruction of their own country. It's no surprise the US is involved in the sanctions and military supplies response because it's a world power who can inflict sanctions and supply materials of war.

    The constant what about the US and what they have done through history is just tiring at this point. If you want, go set up a thread where you can what about to your heart's content. Right now the US and the rest of those supporting Ukraine are helping keeping it from been wiped off the map by a rogue nation. When the dust settles, historians can argue the toss over this conflict somehow being related to US imperialism. For now unless your hatred of the US has blinded you to what Russia is doing, you should be hoping the US and other countries ramp up the sanctions and military supplies to utterly break Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,626 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Macron is right when he says the conflict must end with talks, but it's a truism, really. All conflicts end in talks, but not all talks end in compromise. Sometimes it's just unconditional surrender. This is what Russia appears to be after. If not unconditional surrender then at least leaving Ukraine as a vassal of Russia which can never ever asset its sovereignty again. Is Russia willing to offer Ukraine concessions? If yes, then talks are a possibility. If not, then negotiation has to happen on the battlefield if the will is there to fight.

    What the trolls are saying is that Ukraine must give Russia what it wants because it will get what it wants eventually, so might as well avoid the bloodshed. Taking this point, however, you'd do well to ask why wars should happen at all. Would it not be better for any country just to lay down arms in the event of an invasion lest some people die? Why fight at all? Why has anyone ever fought in history?

    If Russia are willing to come to the table with some good-faith compromises, then real talks can happen, but they're so backward in their 'hur-hur me stronk' thinking, they won't even countenance compromise until they've been fought to a standstill. They seem to understand no other language.



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’d take America over Russia any day. I’ve always thought Putin is a evil warped little man long before he invaded Ukraine. He’s had lots of cheerleaders in the West for years, particularly from conservatives, a complete reversal of the USSR days when most of his western cheerleaders were far left idiots. Tucker Carlson said on his show lots of times he was for Russia vs Ukraine just before the large scale invasion so Putin still has a lot of support in the US from conservative types even if they’re not as vocal now. Putin already revealed what he was before February so nothing will change that.

    You do make a worthwhile point but Russia IMO is a lot worse than the US. America and Britain illegally invaded Iraq under false pretext’s. Poor planning and the power vacuum that followed lead to IS filling the gap and destroying large swathes of the Middle East, which directly lead to the refugees crisis in Europe a number of years ago which coincidentally probably pushed Brexit over the line.

    American and British troops did commit war crimes there. Under the Trump administration the US relaxed rules of engagement when it came to taking precautions around bombings that may impact civilians and concealed the death toll from resultant bombs. They and the UK arm Saudi Arabia to teeth to bomb the sh it out of Yemen with no concern for Yemeni civilians. Which is why I find it a bit mad that golfers are getting such a tough time competing in the Saudi backed tournament when their governments arm Saudi and nothing is said about that.

    They all have atrocities but America is definitely the best of a bad bunch. I’d rather live in a world with America as top dogs than Russia or China. That’s for sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Belarus are buying up every heavy horse in Europe for their cavalry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,695 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    All of the talk about Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan ignores the point that western public has massively turned against those interventions and regards them now as huge mistakes.

    Tony Blair saw his reputation and political legacy completely destroyed by the invasion of Iraq. George Dubya left office with some of the lowest aproval ratings ever. The Putin fans on social media (invariably drawn from the far right or the extreme left) with their non stop 'whataboutery' are speaking as if those wars and interventions are somehow popular in the West, when they are regarded with disgust in fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,626 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Real footage of a Belarussian tank on manoeuvres

    Untitled Image

    Wait until to fit it with a forward gear. Then they'll really be cooking. Mainly because the engine is situated too close to the crew compartment.

    Anyway, Lackey Lukashenko is f*cked if he orders Belarussian troops directly into the conflict at this point, and they'd be blown to bits against a well-equipped Polish army. The only point Lukashenko gets involved with good results for him is at any point where it looks like Russia is about to win and he can move troops in for the photo op. Kind of like that guy who pretends to help you move something heavy just by putting a hand to it right as you finish.



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think public opinion was mostly against Iraq war at the time anyway. So not much has changed there. No one was held accountable for that either. Bush and Blair got off Scott free. Putin fan boys will always be scum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,695 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Indeed, but the tone from the Putin fan boys when they speak about people in the West is that they are mostly war loving imperialists and hypocrites who had no problem with Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc while they were happening. It's a total distortion of what was actually happening - Blair was an absolute pariah by the time of the Chilcott report.

    The Putin bots in the West are way more nasty and sociopathic than even those who were supporting the invasion of Iraq in 2003, making their 'whataboutery' completely meaningless. They are extremists and potential security risks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Slightly off-topic but as we were discussing the Russian GRU officer in Trinity and Ireland's vulnerability to this kind of activity...

    The Sunday Times reporting today that a Chinese origin British citizen that was the subject of an MI5 warning of being a Chinese government agent attempting political influence operations in the UK met with Irish Department of Justice officials...

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-spy-met-justice-officials-to-discuss-irish-visas-jmjx9xjb3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,734 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Did we ever hear any more from General Putinovich and his band of merry Zeds.?




  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone saying Ukraine should surrender can really go and **** themselves. This isn't a regime change, it's ethnic fuckin cleansing like it or not. Quibble about whether it's genocide if you like but their goal is to wipe out Ukrainian culture anywhere they can. Replace the currency, put in a new "government", detain people for speaking Ukrainian, deport 10s (likely hundreds but I'll await confirmation) of thousands of people to **** Siberia. And criticising Ukraine for not sticking to agreements kinda feels a bit hollow ever since Russia poured over the border.

    What would Britain do if Ireland banned the use of the English language? They'd laugh their bollocks off and a couple of their old-school civil servants would be straight on to the EU for some rules loosening and trading and Britain (London) would hoover up another bunch of high-paying jobs. FFS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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