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Jesus should have been armed

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    edited out

    Post edited by mikemac2 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph...and the wee Donkey. It really is a mad house over there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    The most amazing part of all this is believing Jesus is real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The question is what type of gun would he have carried?

    Automatic or bolt action?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Probably have carried a Peacemaker.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Woohoo the hard men are in. You're as bad as the yanks for historical inaccuracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Jesus should not have been armed.

    I would be very disappointed if he carried a gun.

    He should at least have comparable powers with a Jedi or one of the Maiar, for roleplaying purposes.

    In conclusion, what does God want with a gun?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    There really was a Jesus. Even if you don't believe in God it is widely accepted that there was a man named Jesus and he died at the cross.

    Didn't know that eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,800 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    He should have driven a motor home too, Jim White says anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Was he fg or green?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭dockysher


    he would be a great signing for arsenal, armed or not



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭policarp


    He had two arms and both were harmed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    He's in the tuppence halfpenny spot compared to a huge swath of the US, and he's an outlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Xander10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Shoog


    All references to Jesus in historical text's have been through the hands of christian scribes who doctored them. There is actually no contemporary impartial account of a real Jesus. We literally only have christians word for it, who have skin in the game as it were.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    She then prayed for the death of Biden.. what a Christian



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Shoog


    There is a lot in common between Q-Anon believers and American christians - and both are untethered from any reality.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    She prayed his days were few and someone else would take office, they're very broadly interpreting that to be hoping he dies, it could mean she wants his days in office to be few, I'd take it with a pinch of salt like anything coming that side of the world, they're all mad if media from both sides were to be believed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    So mankind has fostered a lie for 2000 years? That some exercise is mass delusion. Can you repeat it please just do we can verify the results?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Shoog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Christianity has fostered a lie for 2000 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Lauren's feeling the pressure, being accused of being a paid escort who met up with Ted Cruz through one event. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lauren-boebert-two-near-naked-men/

    She should ask her daddy the former professional wrestler who impregnated her mom with her in a one-night stand in Florida. Or her husband Mr. 'show my winky in bowling allies'. Such a classy individual our Lauren.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Even Paul only talks of a "spiritual" experience of Jesus, he never met him or anyone who did.


    You can't blame any of this on the mythical Jesus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,729 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Jesus was dead by the time Saul became Paul and converted on the road to Damascus. So of course he never met him.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Not sure what good spreading that does? The first two links actually debunk what you’re saying.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Same goes for Mohammed. Actually he's an even murkier character. With Jesus we have the Paulian letters which mention meeting Jesus' brother James and a few sources speak of Peter and others who knew Jesus in life. We also know there was a very early "Christian" group of Jews in Israel and many within that group would have actually known him. With Mohammed there's almost nothing about him in the first century of the faith within the faith. Within Islamic sources there is talk of trading with and fighting the Eastern Roman empire(Byzantines), but the Byzantine records say nada. Mekkah is claimed to be a large trading and cultural centre, yet no contemporary maps or literature mentions it(not a shock, it's way off the beaten tracks of trade). However scholars rarely if ever question the historicity of Mohammed, the way some have with Jesus. Did the both exist? Highly likely, but the stories around them grew in the telling and ended up in the realms of faith.

    And Jesus was armed, well, at least his apostles were. In the narrative when temple guards with Judas in tow show up to arrest him, his buddy Peter pulled a sword and lopped off the ear of one of the guards in the ensuing barney that kicked off. I doubt he was the only apostle packing heat. For a start they were wandering from town to town preaching or just visiting friends and rellies. Now Roman rule(what have they ever done for us) would have reduced highway robbery and banditry to some degree, but it was still a dangerous enough world. NB the other Christian story of the Good Samaritan where a Jewish traveller has been waylaid, beaten up, robbed and left for dead by bandits on the road.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Indeed. I don’t think the Christians have thought this through fully. If Jesus was the son of an all powerful God, he could presumably have avoided crucifixiction if he had chosen too ? And have these same Christians not read their bible ? Specifically the parts where Jesus knows what’s coming to him and asks God to spare him, then says “oh, ok then. Crucifixion it is, first on the left, one cross each.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,289 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Of course Jesus was armed. Otherwise how else would they have nailed him to a cross?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    You obviously never read the book of acts or indeed Paul's writings where he met the original apostles, but don't let fact get in the way 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    I asked several questions. No one has answered them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,933 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Clearly it would have been a Hilti. Do unto others and all that ya know 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Shoog


    "In his epistles, Paul says he met Peter, as well as James, brother of Jesus. He definitely seems not to have met any of the other apostles. In Galatians 1:11-12, Paul even said that he did not receive the gospel from any man, only by revelation from God - something he could not have said if he had spent any time at all with the other apostles.

    On the other hand, Acts of the Apostles (Acts 9:19) says that Paul was taught the gospel by the disciples. George Wells (Evidence for the Historical Jesus) quotes A. J. Mattill as saying that the dominant view of Acts' presentation of Paul is that in Acts and the epistles there are two Pauls, the historical Paul of the authentic epistles and the legendary Paul of Acts."

    https://www.answers.com/Q/Did_Saint_Paul_meet_the_twelve_disciples

    My personal interpretation of what happened was that early christians were a deeply mystical loosely affiliated group following a huge number of mystical Gospels - many of which barely mention a Jesus figure. The early mystical christians were far more like modern Q-Anon advocates aggregating around a fictional metaphoric Q type figure.

    Paul came along and had his mystical encounter with Jesus and decided to whip the rag tag groupings of mystic christians into a coherent group with a common dogma. Part of the process was expunging all the gnostic contradictory gospels and replacing them with the four tightly edited coherent gospels we now have. None of these Gospels were written by the apostles and none of them were written by eye witnesses to the supposed events. All of them draw on the same root texts which are now lost and each builds on the ones written earlier than themselves. It is a common fiction that they were written by the Apostles of the same name. None of this is even remotely contraversial to actual Biblical scholars.

    There was a significant break between the early christians and the church that Paul formed, and there was definite intent to shape a coherent narrative from the disparate strands of what came before. Part of the plan was to reach out to those "authentic" Jewish christians in the holy land - but when he did so he found they were so out of step with his intentions that he decided instead to persecute them as heretics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Biblical scholar would not pass muster as actual scholars in any other discipline because no one but true believers ever enters the discipline, there is no such thing as a Biblical historian - there are only Christian Biblical scholars. As I said in my first post - all external references to Jesus in Roman texts are later scribes additions to the originals and this is demonstrated by their textual difference to the originals. Scibes were not great at emulating the tone of those they adulterated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,225 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Now now now. A bit more respect for the lady. No need for that misogynistic crap here.

    I'll have you know that I'd definitely give her one. No Ivanka, but I'd give her a lash nonetheless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Ah here. Im out. This is mad. Your mad.

    Enjoy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Shoog


    An interesting perspective from a Biblical scholar:


    "Biblical scholars are not “objective” intellectuals. Biblical scholarship is an intellectual enterprise. But scholarship in the field of biblical studies is always linked with ideological, political, cultural and religious commitments. Although there are topics in the field that might be considered value-free (the synoptic problem, textual criticism, etc.), many biblical scholars think of their task as studying the text as an instrument of social justice, political change, as a means for social activism. In fact, many biblical scholars aren’t traditional “professors” teaching at colleges and universities, but independent researchers whose main goal is to reach out to different communities outside academia."


    https://www.livinglutheran.org/2018/12/what-biblical-scholars-dont-do/


    Thats simply not how real scholarship operates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,408 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Jesus wore hair long and flowing, wore a dress, and sandals. If appeared and walked into their church they'd call him trans and hound him out



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    The day I never have to hear the demented gibberish from the likes of America which is 4000 miles away from my homeland will be a glad day indeed. Especially when the most demented gibberish that these American eegits based 4000 miles away from here like to spew out is gibberish based well over 10,000 miles from them over in the f**king middle east.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Nazareth was possibly a very transient area, he is apparently from this region of Israel/Palestine. You can walk to the Mediterranean in hours from there, similarly the Sea of Galilee is not too far. Just to the north is Syria and the Lebanon. Whilst Christianity might appear porous to atheists I don't think it warrants ridicule either. Western belief systems have developed since the inception of Christian belief, it might seem rational and cool to scoff at it, but it is a part of over 1 billion persons makeup and has a dramatic global influence.

    There is a growing consensus amongst skeptical theologists that he may have been more well healed than the Church prefers to portray him. He was certainly articulate and quite likely educated, he would have needed to be to enable mass communication and to gather followers, nobody really follows a loser, he must have been quite charismatic.

    If you can follow this rational it is highly likely that he may have been related to wealthy Egyptian traders or even have been a relation of Cleopatra, it is possible. Egyptians had steadfast relations with the Romans which most certainly facilitated the spread of his story towards Rome. Caesar and Cleopatra were more than close, obviously Mark Anthony also. He may well have been part of her extended family or some other wealthy types. He obviously spoke Hebrew possibly Aramaic giving Nazareth's proximity to Syria.

    He is a celebrated pacifist, so he was unlikely to have carried any type of weapon. It is possible that his disciples did however, he may well have had minders, twelve apostles is quite the gang really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    What like that other prophet?

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    The evangelical right are anything but christian.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    It's amazing how many different kinds of 'christianity' there are (and have been) that are so completely divergent from the fairly simple and straightforward core teachings of Jesus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,644 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Jesus definitely had gunz





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Feisar


    In fairness Muslims and Jews believe in him to. Although Jesus Christ appears to be a mish-mash of previous gods.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Not really. That idea gained currency on the back of very dubious connections and spread from there(the Egyptian gods bit being particularly daft). The Christ figure will of course have elements common to deities in general and when it was grown and took on more local Greco Roman aspects to fit that culture, but it also diverges in a few core ways too.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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