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Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Fair enough, then the answer to what I asked is "Nothing has been determined yet"



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Yinno, I think I said almost the exact same thing to @hometruths some weeks ago - too soon to have data. Never saw a response but with all the white noise in this arc of the thread I could've missed it. Seems pretty obvious that at the time of approval, vaccinated people weren't ending up in the hospital yet after vaccination, i.e., the vaccine prevented it.

    I probably didn't response because I was busy replying to people who were arguing the complete the opposite.

    For the record I totally agree. It's totally obvious that the data was limited and why it was limited. Even if it was not obvious the approval reports state why.

    Anybody who argues efficacy against severity was proven on the strength of extremely comprehensive data is a fool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,511 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    You are just being a shitebag because you don’t agree with vaccines. You haven’t proven anything unsafe about them, and neither has any of your fellow anti-vaxxers. You are just here to troll and release your anger at the stupid positions you have taken in life. It’s evident in your posts. If there is a vaccine safety issue then stop with your bullshit and call it out. You won’t though.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Again you're just showing that you are unwilling to engage in logical and fact based discussion because it doesn't suit your narrative.

    As I've said before, I'm just here to challenge the very peculiar misinformation that some posters here cling to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,511 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    It has been explained to you. You choose not to accept the explanations as it would take your trolling to an end.



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    That old chestnut works both ways.

    I have explained it to you. You choose not to accept it because you would have to concede I am right.

    It could be extremely reliable, but has not yet been determined.

    Which means the estimate they have currently is not reliable. Of course if they had more data to work with it is possible they could have come up with an estimated they judged to be reliable. That is the whole point.

    It could be extremely reliable, but has not yet been determined, because of the limitations of the then available data. The reliable efficacy estimates against severe COVID-19 and hospitalisation caused by COVID-19 could not be established due to the lack of a sufficient number of cases within the clinical studies.

    So any efficacy estimates of VE against severe covid that were calculated are unreliable because of limited data.

    Or to put it another way - if extremely reliable has not yet been determined, what level of reliability has been determined?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,511 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    No it doesn’t work both ways. You are here to troll. You are deliberately choosing to read the paper as saying ‘unreliable’ when it can’t be taken to mean it at all, in no dimension where logic applies. You walked yourself into a corner with your arguments, and the only way out of either do the norm and have a dramatic exit, or to accept that your interpretation is wrong as it would not stand up in court as being the understanding of a reasonable person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    As you've now posted the conclusions from multiple approvals (at least EMA, include UK and USA if you want more precise measurements), go and do the meta-analysis of the severity data and calculate the new confidence interval from there.

    That data proves they worked for severe disease.

    But you will run away from it screaming.

    Because you've been proved wrong in intricate detail.

    And now can only troll.

    Is there a more pathetic poster on boards? To have invested so much and proven themselves wrong by their own misunderstandings multiple times?



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    It does work both ways. I have explained it to you and as you were unable to accept/argue my explanation you responded with "You're just being a total shitebag"

    The only difference when I say I have explained it to you I am prepared to repost the explanation in case you would like to respond intelligently:

    It could be extremely reliable, but has not yet been determined.

    Which means the estimate they have currently is not reliable. Of course if they had more data to work with it is possible they could have come up with an estimated they judged to be reliable. That is the whole point.

    It could be extremely reliable, but has not yet been determined, because of the limitations of the then available data. The reliable efficacy estimates against severe COVID-19 and hospitalisation caused by COVID-19 could not be established due to the lack of a sufficient number of cases within the clinical studies.

    So any efficacy estimates of VE against severe covid that were calculated are unreliable because of limited data.

    Or to put it another way - if extremely reliable has not yet been determined, what level of reliability has been determined?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,511 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I commend the patience you have shown. It leaves gullible people who read this thread in no doubt that @hometruths doesn’t have a clue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,511 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I know you are willing to repost your nonsense. You have spent half your posts here quoting yourself. It doesn’t make you clever or right.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Eh?! Why is there a need for new calculations to prove the vaccines worked for severe disease at approval?!



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And yet, you keep pretending that the conspiracy theorists on your side aren't posting misinformation. You won't comment on it. You won't acknowledge it.

    None of you want to directly contradict each other or actually discuss your individual conspiracy theories.

    Yet when it suits you, you keep pretending that you all support each other.


    You've no interest in tackling misinformation. You've no interest in what's true.

    You just want to bad mouth vaccines with a veneer of credibility, but you've been banned from the actual covid and medical forums because your bullshit is obvious and transparent.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths




  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The usual excuse is that boards is somehow in on the conspiracy.

    Hometruths can't claim this as he's still pretending not to be a conspiracy theorist. So he simply ignores the question of why he's posting here.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sure man.

    Why are you posting here though?

    Why did you reregister as a new account?

    Why won't you comment on any of your buddies' misinformation?


    We all know the answers. We all know why you won't provide those answers.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I changed my username, I did not reregister a new account. All my posting history from the old username is available to see under this username. I changed my username for reasons totally unrelated to my posting history on this forum. The reason I didn't just register a new account when I wanted a new user name was precisely because I wanted to keep my posting history.

    We've covered before why I don't feel the need to comment on every last piece of misinformation I see here, and I see plenty. And I have answered your questions on specific claims - you asked me did I think the warnings on the Pfizer annual reports were evidence that they were telling investors something different to the public or something along those lines. I told you I agree with you and I didn't believe it was anything sinister.

    None of my buddies as you put it comment much on my posts, yet that doesn't seem to worry you so much.

    You often reply to my posts, totally ignoring whatever I posted and instead asking me to comment on something I have no interest in. And then if I don't comment on the other thing, you insinuate that this somehow is evidence that what I am posting, which you ignored, is untrue.

    It's very odd behaviour, and you'd be banned for it in most other forums.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cool. What was your previous username?

    And yes, I asked you repeatedly to comment on specific false claims. You gave vague non committal answers for some, you specifically said you agreed with others.

    And lol, the fact you have to go that far back for the only claim you believe is false is pretty funny...


    And yes, I've pointed out repeated how other conspiracy theorists also ignore your conspiracy theories. It seems to be a very common characteristic of conspiracy theorists.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    DohnJoe and others have already mentioned my previous username, there is nothing to hide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,222 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You tried to hide your anti-vax agenda, repackage it as if you are just "confused" and need explanations.

    At least the crazy anti-vaxxers are open about this stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,222 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Guys I just don't understand vaccines/911/space travel, can someone explain this stuff to me

    Hundreds of pages later: Guys I just don't understa..



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I’m not confused about the fact that no reliable conclusions could be reached on severity from the limited available in the trials.

    I am a bit confused by some of astrofools explanations as to how this was in fact proven by extremely comprehensive data, but I doubt I’m the only one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,511 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Looking back the last 70 pages of your posts…yes you are the only one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,222 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    BS.

    You came in here with questions about vaccines under your previous username, coming to a conspiracy theory forum for info on vaccines, pretty strange, first red flag

    Anyway, I explained some stuff to you. You didn't seem to understand the basics of it, so I explained it as best I could. You still weren't getting it, you were being actively pedantic, to an extreme, another red flag

    Other posters stepped in and gave explanations. Again, you had this bizarre issue with all of these. Another red flag.

    You are now back again, on the same forum, making the same arguments and bizarre contrarian points under a different name. Another set of posters are explaining things to you, and amazingly, you don't get those either.

    Anyone can see there are two possibilities as to what is going on here:

    You are incredibly stupid (to be even asking about medical science on a conspiracy theory forum is as bad as it gets)

    OR

    You have an agenda


    Again, none of these replies are for your benefit, only for others who might not be familiar with these techniques.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Fine, as you say those many people who lurk are likely to form their own opinions as what is correct.

    Thats largely why I challenge the deflection and misinformation here about the vaccines effect on severe covid.

    not for the benefit of you and the other regulars in here, but for the benefit of those who might not be familiar with your techniques.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,222 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


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    You are against vaccines, for pedantic personal reasons, but you are "smart" enough to know you can't just openly act like Buzzer here and go on with the silly anti-vax memes and all that.

    Instead you use a different approach. Your spiel is to find particular studies, etc that you "don't get", then keep baiting others into providing explanations that you will never accept. As evidenced and demonstrated by your hundreds of posts here

    Normally that kind of crank approach get thread-banned on forums, but you have discovered a forum where you can get away with it, this forum, the conspiracy theory forum.

    As long as you don't insult anyone, or break the rules, you can keep this game going forever. As mentioned the 9/11 guys have kept it rolling for years.

    The vaccines are safe and effective, most of the population is vaccinated. You've chosen to protest that, by playing this game, for god knows how long, on a conspiracy theory forum of all places. It's pretty hilarious when you think about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Eh?!

    I think 0 people will be surprised you didn't understand this.

    Why is there a need for new calculations

    The calculations would have been carried out at approval time as part of meta-analysis of data from all the trials

    to prove the vaccines worked for severe disease at approval?!

    Because now the confidence interval can be re-calculated using all the data you have posted and brought into your argument, efficacy across multiple authorities for multiple vaccines solving your issue of not enough cases. That is what I lead you towards (though you weren't anywhere near smart enough to see it).

    Eh?!

    This will undoubtedly be your next reply as well😁



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Because now the confidence interval can be re-calculated using all the data you have posted and brought into your argument, efficacy across multiple authorities for multiple vaccines solving your issue of not enough cases. That is what I lead you towards (though you weren't anywhere near smart enough to see it).

    I guess you missed my post this morning commenting on your multiple authority multiple vaccine meta-analysis theory?!



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Instead you use a different approach. Your spiel is to find particular studies, etc that you "don't get", then keep baiting others into providing explanations that you will never accept. As evidenced and demonstrated by your hundreds of posts here

    This is your go to argument. It is been explained to me. And I refuse to understand the perfectly rational explanations that are offered.

    Let me remind you what the bulk of my posts have concerned. It's not a study that I don't get.

    It's a simple statement that I am claiming as a fact: the trial data on severe Covid was insufficient to make reliable conclusions on the VE against severe covid.

    I have asked you numerous times the simple question whether or not you think I am wrong on this point.

    You refuse to answer that instead telling me to accept explanations that are ridiculous. We've had two of most crazy today alone - FightingTao's extremely reliable but not yet determined and astrofools meta-analysis.

    Do you think those are valid explanations disproving the statement the trial data on severe Covid was insufficient to make reliable conclusions on the VE against severe covid?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,097 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Not relevant to Covid Vaccine safety directly, but sometimes, the wheels of US Justice spin the right way. And this is such a nice... unification I guess of various things in the news lately.





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