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Peter McVerry attacked

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme



    Eh, when it comes to assault one individual has always gotten to decide if it is a crime or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    “In the early hours of Wednesday morning Fr Peter opened his door to an individual knocking for help, it soon became clear that the person was affected by drugs and alcohol.”

    Sounds like he makes a lot of excellent decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Strange one. No problem that he doesn't want to press charges, but

    • injuries minor
    • Gardai not called
    • request for privacy

    So had did the news come into the Public Domain in the first place if not from him or someone from the Trust?

    Seems like someone did want some attention. hardly shocking news that a druggie/alco would be aggressive on occasions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    “How does one individual get to decide what is or isn't a crime?”


    They don’t.

    Gardaí have the power to investigate whether or not a crime has taken place, but without a complaining witness that might be considerably more difficult and in some circumstances, such as this one, simply not worth pursuing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,872 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    If he doesn’t make a statement/complaint their hands are tied.

    im sure we’ll all be indebted to this McVerry lad when this urchin tries to do the same thing to another unsuspecting citizen… who might get the shît knocked out of them or worse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,836 ✭✭✭plodder


    It's not an assault if it's done with the consent of the victim. Otherwise, the sport of boxing would be illegal.

    So, the victim has to make a complaint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭bmc58


    There is no end to Fr McVerry's love for his fellow humans.I would find it impossible to be so forgiving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    I think the above is the most important point, the next person might not be so lucky. Sounds like Gardai hands are tied though, we'll just have to rely on McVerry's character appraisal of the attacker as not a danger to the rest of us maybe!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    That’s not the way criminal investigations, prosecutions, or Irish law, works at all, nothing to do with boxing. There’s nothing to stop Gardaí investigating this incident as a criminal matter and recommending pursuing a prosecution to the DPP. It isn’t worth pursuing is all because it isn’t necessary and would simply be a waste of everyone’s time and Garda and Courts resources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,872 ✭✭✭✭Strumms




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    There's quite few people who were hospitalized by McVerrys poor homeless, drug dealing, scumbag waifs, when he was starting out on his road to media Sainthood. He sounds like he got off lightly in comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,872 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Very good point…. How did it reach the media ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,071 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    There's also no end to the distain in which he's held. It's fine to SAY you want to help people, but actually living it and DOING the work is always cause for unrelenting criticism.

    I'm not sure I've ever read criticism of him and not thought 'WTF has McVerry actually done wrong here?'.

    I think the main thing he does wrong is do a very unpleasant job which requires a lot of qualities most people like to think they possess but actually don't come near to possessing. Much easier to call him a gobshyte than honestly admit he's doing seriously difficult work which most of us (myself included) would never do.



  • Posts: 2,264 [Deleted User]


    Empathetic man is the real criminal here. *Shakes head*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    McVerry is more responsible for the business of homelessness than anyone else in this Country including the Governments of this Country over the last 40 years.

    I'm sorry he has been assaulted however now he might understand how the underpaid over worked staff of the McVerry Trust feel every single night working without proper support structures there to protect them from assaults



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    How'd you work that one out?

    I've seen hot takes from the International Space Station on boards before, but this one takes the biscuit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Go work for his Trust and find out for yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    How cryptic. I'll file this alongside the other Cosmonaut contributions thank you very much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,301 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    What if this fella attacks or even kills someone else, the Fr. should have contacted the Gardai



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Right on champ.

    "Preist running hosuing NGO is responsible for homelessness and housing crisis!"

    Oh yeah? How's that?

    *Poster runs away*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    No running I'm still here just ignoring you now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Awful shame you're ignoring. Here was I thinking you'd make even a plaintive attmpt at elaborating on your zero detail slur on someone.

    Ah well, maybe some day...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes




  • Posts: 2,264 [Deleted User]


    If you've never really heard of it or looked it up, the Peter McVerry Trust is a surprisingly large operation. Compare it to the Capuchin Day Centre, headed by Brother Kevin. Both deal with the homeless, sure, but they're night and day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,836 ✭✭✭plodder


    In general that's true, but the relevant statute defines assault as intentionally or recklessly applying force to or causing an impact on the body of another ... without the consent of the other.

    The gardai would have to establish that there was no consent before there could be a prosecution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,978 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    The idea of homelessness as a business is hardly news to anybody, and has been discussed before on here.

    The McVerry Trust income in 2019 was €46.7 million. In 2020 it was €56.4 million. From their own report: https://pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/PeterMcVerryTrust-Annual-Report-2020-Online.pdf

    Operational expenses in 2020 were €44m. How much of that is salary? I wouldn't like to guess.

    The report also shows reserves in 2020 of €45 million, an increase of €12m on 2019.

    And thats just one charity! There are a lot of businesses that would love to have an income of €56 million per year, to have reserves of €45 million!

    A lot of people are going to be very disappointed should the homelessness issue ever get solved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    And how's an NGO that provisions housing supposed to go about it's business without operating income and salaried employees who know what they're doing? Just because slowpokes on boards post things doesn't make it worthy of respect as an idea or that it's anything other than swill.

    The suggestion that McVerry "has done more than anyone in this country to cause homelessness including governments of the last 40 years" is head-the-ball gunge, and anyone who posts something like that should check themselves in for a lobotomy. When stupidity and a corroded soul intersect, you get contributions like that.

    McVerry is no more responsible for homelessness than Spot the Dog. Some of the horsesh*t that gets posted here is out of this world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Here's why some of the dead-inside people here and elsewhere spend their time trying to slur McVerry: He attempts to help poor people. That's enough for the tin men to go after him.

    Sad, sad lives.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,095 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Sorry to hear about the assault on Fr. McVerry.

    He did not deserve that after a lifetime of service to the homeless.

    I hope he is feeling ok, a physical assault can be hard to get over.



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