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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990



    Hard to describe how I feel about the matchup. It's not confidence, I feel like the game is going to be very close (like the game in Tralee rather than the League final).


    I think Kerry will win based on the football they have played all year, but I'm not overly-confident. I think that Mayo's attacking backs running at Kerry's defensive setup could cause us bother. We are getting lots of bodies back this year but we have some lazy tacklers who will give frees away to Cillian.


    I reckon a lot will hinge on whether Mayo can afford not to play Aidan O'Shea. I think in Croke Park his lack of pace in the transition could be exposed by Kerry's kickpassing (if he continues in the sweeper role). I think he could play a big role as an impact sub when the pace of the game dies down but if he starts Kerry will look to exploit him. Kerry are able to use David Moran in that role this year and while he hasn't been needed to change a game yet given the ease of Kerry's championship games so far I think he will be vital in the Quarter Final.


    So I expect Kerry to come through but I wouldn't be massively confident and if we are beaten it wouldn't be a massive shock (like Tyrone last year or Cork the year before where I was very confident).


    Edit: I also realise how rediculous it is that I'm taking Kerry's current form (which is good) into account and ignoring Mayo's current form (which isn't great). If I was analyzing the game purely on form I'd have to be confident.

    But with this Mayo side you'd be mad to go on the form book alone.

    That's unconscious bias for you I guess and I'd always err on the slightly more pessimistic side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,709 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    But


    But



    But



    when Galway get their chance they're going to win the all Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,709 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    If they were going down that route, surely they would swap Dublin Cork to Sunday and Galway Armagh to Saturday? To ensure the minor teams are represented on each day?

    And put Mayo Kerry on first after the minor...with Dublin Cork 2nd.

    I know Sunday might be in danger of selling out then, but I'm not sure a huge crowd will come from Munster.

    It would be a cracking two days and a great experience for all four minor teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance



    Armagh and Derry/Clare stand in front of them and An Ireland Final... and they're still crying over the "horrible draw".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    A few scans taking Aido Orme's miss in Castlebar to heart still. For what it's worth I think most Galway people realise Armagh are gonna be a serious challenge and are probably gonna be favourites. If (big big if) we came through that the hype would be nauseating.

    I fancy Mayo to beat Kerry though. I still doubt Kerry have the minerals to pull through tight games even though Clifford is the best in the land. They won't hit the wides Kildare hit constantly into the Davin though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Fanofconnacht


    Mayo could beat Kerry as most years they deliver a big performance unlikely but possible. Going on to beat Dublin absolutely no way. Dublin got better of this side of draw as Kerry mayo does not suit Kerry. For the neutral the other side of draw welcome as it guarantees a non regular a place in final. My heart would like to see Clare do it, my head says Armagh but my fear is Galway will rock up and win it against the odds and make us even more miserable. They still have most AI,s after Kerry and Dublin. The good news is that Horan era will soon be over and we will be rid of the last of the players from the Holmes’s Connolly era who looking like proving that Mgr was not the issue 7 years ago they were as record under Rockford / Horan shows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,363 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The second game of a double header are usually the bigger ones so I'd imagine Mayo v Kerry gets 4pm Sunday.

    Dublin v Cork would be the late game Saturday, it's a spot Dublin regularly play a QF in so I don't see why they would change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 The Supporter


    A number of the Mayo Players are lacking confidence this year, a Top Sports Psychologist brought in to work with the Team even at this stage of the Championship could work wonders. Lack of composure in last year’s All Ireland cost us big time (we had 4 or 5 goal scoring chances and scored none of them). The composure Limerick Hurlers have shown over the last four years (Caroline Currid Sports Psychologist works with them). The composure Dublin footballers have shown down through the years is the result of working with top Sports Psychologists. Kerry is a very tough draw but if Mayo are properly mentally

    prepared we have a chance. Kerry are 1/3 with the bookies, pressure on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    Its not just Ruane, DOC, COC needs to come good as well but Horan needs to make the changes that every dog in the street sees. AOS and Coen need to hit the bench. I could never understand Coen captaincy anyway...

    While the Kildare game was brutal for 3/4, I was more pessimistic after the Monaghan game. The Kildare game has been the perfect game to start them back on the tract if there is anything in them. Time will tell but with the changes Horan needs to make and maybe ROD back, who knows and of course the league final was never going to be even!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,709 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    Whatever about the way Coen is playing this year, which has been poor, for the last couple of years he has been very good for Mayo. He's also proven to be an excellent captain, won Sigerson, U-18 & U-21 All-Irelands, that doesn't happen by accident



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,363 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    But who do you replace AOS and Coen with?

    I can see Flynn if fit being a straight swap for AOS at midfield with the latter being used as a impact sub.

    But I who replaces Coen ?

    By the way I can see the thinking of Coen as captain. He was on good form prior to this year and he has captained minor, u21 and Siggerson winning sides in the past, so he probably has the qualities required to be a captain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I wouldn't be dropping Coen just yet I suppose, even though his form isn't great.

    Both lines of our defence is (more or less) made up of natural half backs who like to bomb forward. Coen offers a bit of protection to that. I'm not sure we have another back who will sit there and cover. It's not the strongest argument for inclusion but it is one.

    And then there's the point that I definitely don't see Coen as a finisher of a game, so I would much prefer to see him start and let someone come on for him to add a bit of chaos in the final 15-20 mins if needed.

    I think Flynn in for O'Shea should be an easy decision to make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭muddle84


    What are peoples thoughts on getting Keegan and Mullins out of the full back line? I think Saturday showed again what they offer going forward, having them in the full back line really holds them back!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,073 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Neither can mark Clifford imo. Clifford will be told not to follow his runner and it's too risky putting either on him unless we tell them not to bomb forward.

    O'Hora in for Hession, to mark Clifford, would be my guess. And O'Hora needs to be told to forget about crossing his own 45. He did a good job on Clifford in the first half of the league final and a lot of the joy Clifford had was directly after O'Hora made a burst. Second half was a different story obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    I don't think he has been very good. He has in a few games but not consistently good. We are talking about Senior county football now not minor and u21/sigerson. Granted he has done this at these levels and all this is very promising but there is a clear distinction between the two levels. We are seeing this with young players taking 2/3 years to get up to the required level at IC and some just cannot make the leap. I also think Coen lacks pace and also does not offer enough going forward/attacking. He has not got the pace or power to take lads on like Mullen, EOL, PD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Our full back line against Kildare was for all intents and purposes a half back line in terms of personnel there.

    We seem to have loads of lads whose ideal position is the half back line as opposed to fellas who are naturals in the full back line.

    Keegan, Mullin, and Hession are all better suited to the half back line. We are not blessed with defenders who are better closer to their own goal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Ya. Definitely. Really suited Oisin Mullin that Daniel Flynn spent most of his time out the pitch. Kildare would have known that it would be either Mullin or Keegan that would take up Flynn. Don't know why they didn't strategise telling him to keep close to the Mayo goal and preserve his energy for the danger areas. I was delighted to see him operate out around midfield and their own '45.

    Issue in 2 weeks time will be who picks up Clifford. If O'Hora plays, I don't think it should be him. Too much pressure stemming from the previous Kerry game. I think it could be left to Keegan to muster up some of the "dark arts" that kept Diarmuid Connolly and Ciaran Kilkenny quiet. But then again, that was a good few years ago. I don't think he'd have the legs for following Clifford around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    Flynn in for AOS, Mullen is not a full back (he got caught for ball in over his head at the weekend and against Tyrone) and goes to CB. O'Hara in the full back line. We need Mullen attacking in the half back line.

    There was a free and Flynn grabbed the ball and took it within 2 seconds. If it was AOS, this quick mind is not there.

    In regards Coen, again different level at IC and Coen is not making it for me. Did he touch the ball in the first half against Kildare and if he did, he fouled. While he is fit, he looks heavy in the legs and lacks pace. He will never lose the ball because he will either revert back or to the side with the ball. This is his default behavior and it is not normal for him to attack. He is limited in my opinion.

    While PD missed alot at the weekend, he attacks. EOL is just so attacking minded as well. We need a man in the middle like this as well. Mullen is the man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,363 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Again on the Coen thing.

    It was 9 and 6 years ago respectively that he captained the minor and u21 teams.

    He has been part of the senior setup since then.

    People are talking like he is new to the senior team and not able to cut it.

    He was a decent player holding his place up to now, it's only this year that he has regressed.

    So again, he was a good shout for captain at the start of the year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    100% on Mullen. I think we need to leave Keegan in the FB line as we have nobody else and I would wonder if he has the legs to be up and down. He looks like he does at the moment but he is not 24. Keegan is without doubt the most impressive man ever to wear the jersey. He has this sense that we are in trouble and need a score... he creeps up, breaks the line and bang.... it is over the bar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭Vish81


    Horan will need to have a trick or two up his sleeve for this Kerry match, otherwise that league final thumping will be earmarked as the turning point in Mayo's season.

    Confidence levels are still low and dragging on after that game , having done all the hard work eradicating the Tyrone loss with a solid NFL campaign, only to go and throw it all away with an insipid display in the final, to the horror of a large Mayo fan-base that turned up that day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Think Keegan has to stay corner back to start with anyway.

    Maybe O'Hora full back, Mullin to 6, Coen to 7 (try drop off and sweep) then put McLaughlin half forward to track White.

    Having said that, I think Mullin is the best man to mark David Clifford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    I don't know about Mullin on Clifford for height difference alone.

    We saw it in the final last year and in one of two instances against Kildare that Oisin struggles on a bigger man when a 50/50 high ball comes in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,589 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    The obvious question though is who do you replace them with? O'Hora and ??

    With the way Mayo play, the FB line is probably the toughest line on the pitch so we end up putting some of our best players there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Everyone struggles on a 50 50 high ball against a bigger man!

    Mullin is far better in the air than Keegan, O'Hora, Hession etc. Stephen Coen might be slightly better under a high ball but doesn't have the pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,589 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    FWIW, I'd probably put O'Hora on Clifford and Mullin on SOS - he's the man who'll be pulling the strings for Kerry and we need to do what we can to put him under a bit of pressure. If he has free reign to pop balls into Clifford & Brosnan/Geaney, our FB line will get destroyed again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭muddle84


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,709 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    Double header with Armagh & Galway


    Anyone with any orange neckties? Asking for a friend



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    Past successes in younger grades are irrelevant as he is in the big time now. It is a different time and a long time ago. You are correct thou... he is not new.... he is decent/good but that is not good enough. All defenders are outshining him as a player and he needs to be more than just decent. He needs to defend and attack. He needs to lead as a captain. I don't know what he has scored as an IC player but I would love to see the stats on his scoring in comparison to our other half backs. He is decent at man marking, not at the same level as Keegan but he is decent at it. He reminds me of Silke for Galway the luckiest man to ever win an All Ireland when he was center half back!!

    Look it could also be Horan and he wants him to sit and hold the center back position but I doubt it.



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