Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

You probably deserved the flak you got. We are providing refuge, it's not a holiday they are on ffs! This is short term. And if the are not a third world country then I'm sure they can part fund themselves? How are the people living in the Ukraine funding themselves. Do they all have nothing also? You must be having a laugh?

Locking up Irish families in hotels is not right either.

Then, they will have to go through the same process as any other refugee. These are non EU citizens. Who do you think should pay for all these gym memberships and haircuts? Do you think that barbers are giving free haircuts to ukrainians..... In the Ukraine? that their open hotels are having open door policies to their gyms and swimming pools? Are they fu@k!Maybe the ice cream that the lads were eating today in those pictures was paid for personally by zelensky? My god!

Plenty of hotel rooms there boy!

And if we had have invited them here, they can always say… ‘ no thanks’.. no free gym we not coming…

they get enabled with, beds, food, safety, cash, healthcare… that’s more then enough. :)

Well, I witnessed this scenario as described in this thread with my own eyes and ears… nothing wrong with chancing one’s arm, but then shouting and attempting to intimidate a staff member when the answer was relayed in the negative..

they could have called down on the phone to ask politely… “ are we allowed use “… but arrived in numbers and a ridiculous over the top intimidatory ignorant reaction when the answer was “NO”…..

maybe even with some reasonable negotiation skills they could have been enabled with a discount for off peak usage…? Who knows, but attempting to harass staff in the manner they did… nahhhh, A young girl who was more then able for them, and we’ll done to her, remaining professional under a high level of attempted intimidatory and provocative behaviour, while standing her ground and giving them a message not for misunderstanding, not nice to see from them but very well handled.🎖

Whilst I love Animals

After an initial halabaloo, belatedly the Dept of agriculture did step in and vacinate and chip on arrival , that said 100's if not more were let in without testing . Of more concern is Quarantine rules , there was no enforcement at the start and it remains, essentially an advisory.How a refugee is able , not only have a pet in various accommodation mentioned on the Thread or adhere to an advisory Quarantine instruction is completely beyond me.

I've personally no objection to Pets being brought in, I might add but the management and controls of this has and continues to be frankly an alarming shambles, not withstanding the costs of around €100 per pet.

Well that's probably a bit harsh, they certainly acted irresponsibly, recklessly and showed complete naivety and disregard with their actions.

My sense is the charity founder thought, a sure irish Authorities won't refuse entry and will pay for all this, after all let's be Frank it was a free for all at the time. But let's also not forget, Ryanair offering discounts (they clearly were not aware of what was going on and I presume they thought this was all Sanctioned), they could have checked discretely, why didn't they 🤔, let's also not forget the Charity had buses lined up (who paid for that), the accommodation was also apparently arranged in advance and of course this mysterious professor in the back ground who'd already arrived. A lot of planning went into this operation and funding came from somewhere, this is a tiny charity that operates out of a private residence, not a corporate HQ.

I CAN'T say for sure what the full story is but serious questions need to be asked and as I've mentioned the charity has just had a change of Director /Secretary notified to CRO, not an unusual thing in normal circumstances but this entire debacle is not in the slightest bit normal.

Let's take a step back for a moment.

Initially few begrudged support, Decency, understanding etc. Yes there was apprehension, admitidly some just anti everything.

But surely and it became obvious very, very on, this was a slow moving train wreck. Those who were decent enough to pledge quickly started reporting difficulties and frustrations, even those who've actually fulfilled their pledges still reporting being contacted by Red Cross.

Taking aside what everyone knew about an existing but worsening housing crisis amongst many others issues at home, people still showed some level of tolerance.

Reports of generous supports emerged, supports Irish citizens would have to jump through hoops to get in normal and indeed crisis situations.

Long term Deals with Hotels emerged essentially confirming this was no short term measure, Arrangements for housing, renovation of old properties, purchase of properties, housing associations letting properties, Heck even planning applications for 570 temporary homes all aimed solely at Ukranian refugees, all the while such measures not even getting a second of thought by this government over many years to deal with a prolonged homelessness situation in Ireland. This is not about whataboutery, its about fairness at a very basic level.

My main gripes has been the two tier refugees and SW support policy being actively being introduced by this government and the blatant inequality and Hypocrisy on display, its frankly outrageous and by all accounts abily supported by the Irish Refugee Council. I'm also disgusted at communities that were suddenly awakened by a charitable spirit, the same communities (Not all) who vehemently opposed DP centres being set up in their communities over many years.

There's literally too many contradictions and Shenanigans to list since this started but seriously, all this aside.....

Why in heavens name is there not a single politician asking for a Pause, it seem the bigger the hole this government digs, the better it is. At a very basic level the systems are collapsing, wether it be immigration, Housing, Welfare supports, Health and all we hear from government is there's no magic money tree whilst at the same time throwing €100's of millions at what is essentially become nothing more than a PR exercise on the world stage.

I'd like to think I'm open minded, have some common sense, but no matter what way I look at what is going on, all I can conclude is this is just utter madness from a financial and Social cohesion point of view, notwithstanding, ultimately its refugees being actively encouraged to come here that will ultimately suffer at the end of all this.

Finally, I was struck at a vetinary clinic in meath treating dogs for PTSD, I love animals, but I then thought of a close and dear friend, referred to counselling with mental health services. Referral by their GP was made on the 28th March, quite urgent but coping, they've not had a call, slot issued, nothing since the referral, GP has emailed three times to try and expedite the referral, it's now the middle of June.

Yeah I'm sure sleeping on a hotel floor is paradise on earth too. Living off benefits isn't always what it's made out to be. Some people may hit the jackpot, not everyone.

I ancipated such a glib, incoherent and utterly bewildering response from you, but again remind you of your own, quite extraordinary whoppers and indeed more recently contradictions, which when called out, you suddenly go into Mute Mode.

Perhaps you don't get the context, actually more likely you don't want to get it, but I'll give you this..

Your consistent and all over the place.

I was in my village earlier, wore a florescent Jacket with my name on it saying I'm honestly not creepy, weird or strange, perfectly normal and had hadпривіт plastered across it in case I bumped into 22 strange Ukrainian women hanging about 😉

Ashamed at highlighting the chronic lack of priorities in mental health care, o I do apologise, I'm definitely ashamed, gosh, thankfully I've not named my friend.

Isn't it just wonderful media focussing on the mental well being of pets and not Human Beings.

Twist and turn the context I made all you want, intriguing who you think should be ashamed.

Looking forward to your contributions today, no doubt filled with personal swipes and amusing inchorence and contradictions.

No desire to respond to the other Shenanigans I raised 🤔🤔🤔

It's fascinating that there are about 4k posts on this Thread, you accuse the majority of spoofing, posting bile, being negative and yet here you are, first 3 posts today all negative, deflection tactics etc even when attempts are made to be objective, you just can't abide debate or points of views that differ from yours.

Why do you not believe an article on Ukrainian Pets getting treatment for PTSD not relevant to the Thread, I'm 54, have not ever, ever, ever heard of a report on Irish pets getting treatment for PTSD being reported on.

As to the rest of your Rant, next please, anything to say on other matters I raised 🤔