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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


    Ever hear of the internet mate. You'd swear Dublin city is as big as Tokyo the way you are getting worked up 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Do you know all the suburbs of Kyiv or Berlin or Munich ? And if they are upper , middle or lower class .?



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you’re escaping a war zone, does it matter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Do you mean the war zone to the far east of Ukraine 🤔 approximately 20% of Ukraines entire land mass 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    put it this way , I am around that mans age and if I had to flee and leave my home and my life I too might ask the question if it was possible to live where my family already are

    Try putting yourself in these people shoes , engage with them and hear them . What mattered to the man quoted was not that it Howth or Sutton but that it was where his family are based



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,814 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,814 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I certainly wouldn’t settle for less then the best available to me 😂 because if ya don’t someone else will



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,497 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    i think the problem is people are not listening to the native population, citizens, Irish people… who have concerns regarding what transpired, what continues to transpire in and to our country and how that’s going to be impacting our wellbeing going forward.

    a rather passive aggressive brush off by politicians, ngo’s and those in favour of what’s going on..

    put yourself in these peoples shoes ?

    put myself in my parents shoes.. working and paying tax all their lives, both pensioners, medical cards taken, private pensions taxed on the double…

    have struggled accessing healthcare when required…

    sorry, as much empathy for Ukrainians as I have, the wellbeing of my family is paramount.

    They are not an outlier in this scenario,,, healthcare, housing, supports and the general wellbeing of this population, of us is on the skids. We are no longer a priority here, our health and wellbeing is secondary now. That McEntee and friends have said as much while looking all smug and delighted with themselves.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No of course I don’t. But if I were escaping a war zone it doesn’t *****ng matter.

    unless of course it wasn’t a war zone at all, but rather a perfectly habitable part of the rest of Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,814 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Lad not far off pension age fleeing a war zone and destroyed city asks about work and accommodation, commendable to say the least, but of course the online weirdos have an issue with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Epic curtain twitching.

    I'd say your village is beside itself with salacious loose talk and hear say. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I thought you were on Hols, if I had curtains and twitched, I'd be looking out at a forest and mountains and birds flying over with packed lunch"s

    Hard to miss 22 Ukrainian women queuing up in a tiny village PO or them waiting for their private bus shuttle then around 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    put yourself in these peoples shoes ?

    Easy enough since many Ukrainians in Ireland weren't anywhere near the frontlines or on the receiving end of Russian attacks. There is an agenda being pushed to guilt people into compliance, with the presumption being made that all refugees have suffered horribly.. except they haven't. Many of those in Western Ukraine left early in the war.. taking advantage of the offers by the Aid organisations.

    They are not an outlier in this scenario,,, healthcare, housing, supports and the general wellbeing of this population, of us is on the skids. We are no longer a priority here, our health and wellbeing is secondary now. That McEntee and friends have said as much while looking all smug and delighted with themselves.

    TBH I'd question whether Irish people have ever been a priority for these services when it comes to political commitments or interest in fixing the problems present. The HSE has been a mess and getting worse for a long time now.. and there was no magical infusion of money to help those Irish in need.

    Just think of the overall cost to Ireland that the Ukrainian conflict has cost.. and imagine what that would have meant in direct investment into the HSE. The change possible would have been huge.

    Nah. Irish politicians, except for some powerless individuals, have no interest in making Irish people, and their problems a priority. It's all smoke and mirrors.. to cover the game they play with other politicians. Monopoly with the taxpayers money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles



    I actually tried to engage with them outside the post office and they were moved along by what appeared to be a guide or leader

    You are hardly surprised by this are you?

    I mean look at it from their perspective, a strange man hanging outside a post office gawking and trying to engage with a group of teenage girls and women, of course they were going to be ushered on. I'm sure it was completely innocent on your behalf but it could well be construed as pretty creepy behaviour whether the young girls and women were Ukrainian or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    By engaging I'm sure he meant passing the time of day, commenting on the weather, smalltalk like we all do from time to time with people who are stangers to us in various scenarios, but oh no you had to twist a harmless interaction between human beings and put a more sinister bent on it, it's sad when engaging with another human can be "construed as pretty creepy behaviour", but sure maybe thats the way its gone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I've never gone up to a bunch of young girls or young women during the day on the street I didn't know and discussed the weather or engaged in "small talk", it's hardly a social setting and is at best inappropriate.

    But what I think or you think or what the OP think is irrelevant, everyone is entitled to their privacy, especially on a public street and this group of people didn't want to engage which is their right and which should be respected, they shouldn't be gossiped about on the internet for doing so, but sure it's 2022. 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    The poster may have been in a queue outside the PO as is often the case in a rural village, one is entitled to exchange pleasantries, its a public street not a private space, if the other party wants to kill the conversation they can very easily and no better ones than our sisters to do it , without a minder imposing an omerta and cutting off any interaction at source, now that to me would raise a sceptical eyebrow, We've had enough skulking around in the shadows in this republic in the past without this generation adding to it



  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sorry I've been on the road today ....to Kerry ! Meeting my friend tomorrow so I'll do a bit of digging about the Housing Authority/Officer in this case and report back if any news



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Do you seriously believe I was hanging around acting creepy in my own local village , cop on to yourself.

    I happen to live on the outskirts of a small village, I have occasion to got to local shops and heavens above the PO.

    The village is one small street, a PO/Market , coffee shop, pharmacy, two pubs, disused B&B (Now full) and a takeaway. Do you seriously think 22 Ukrainian women queuing outside a tiny post office isn't unusual in a tiny village, do you expect me or other locals to be rude, do you think I cornered 22 women in a corner in a threatening manner, mother of God, get a grip of yourself.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One thing I will add ,: this family of 8 did not come in through official channels. It's 2 parents and 6 kids . They came in from France where they were housed in a monastery for 6 weeks. They couldn't get into UK so the kind English gentleman I know arranged for them to come to Kerry. He housed them himself for over a month . I'll find out more tomorrow when I meet him but I know they are moving to a house for 8 in Killarney on Monday . I don't know how they got it yet.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You cannot make small talk with people who don’t understand a word of English!



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So, who was the housing official they were dealing with? A Council person, Red Cross, or who?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Now thats just silly, at this moment and time there are thousands and thousands of humans making "small talk" all around the world without a language in common and they manage, its what we do



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not when queuing outside a post office in a foreign country, when locals attempt to make small talk in a language they don’t understand. The Ukrainians I’ve come across can read English, but cannot understand it when spoken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Hold your horses, you do know that this is an era of technology?

    My son and his friends were approached in a local bar recently, by 5 Ukrainian men. They were being housed upstairs in the small hotel. They got talking by offering cigarettes to my son and his friends, none of them smoke, but they conversed between hand gestures and google translate. Amazing stuff. You should try it sometime.

    As I said, they were men, ages 18 to 22. My son didn't take a blood sample from them or write down names, so no need to ask me for verification of the conversation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Either you've missed what I've said or ignoring what I said, a number of the younger Ukrainian women in my village speak decent English and before there's an enquiry into how I know this, staff in the PO /Shop said so and it's the younger ladies doing all the talking on behalf of the group, but not to locals, just to PO staff when collecting SW

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have already said I don't know . I will be meeting my friend tomorrow and hope to find out . I've just got the occasional text about this over the last few weeks , I didn't interrogate him . He's delighted they're getting housed , the honeymoon phase is definitely over , he wants his house back .



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