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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Actually, if the trends continue, most of them would be white. Eastern Europeans, and those from the Balkans.. the dismissal that it's racism towards Africans doesn't work. And you deflected from what the poster said. No surprise there, all things considered.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    • Do you mean this quote? Maybe you should read it again. He referenced the Island of Ireland should plan for an all island population of 10 million, which, if my maths are correct, is a 50% increase. Not 100%. The 50% he referenced was of 1 million.
    • ““I propose that Ireland should, as part of the Ireland 2040 planning framework, put in place a long-term strategic infrastructure plan to prepare for an all-island population of 10 Million people. We should seek to provide up to €20 Billion from sources including the European Investment Bank, private funders & increased exchequer provision”
    • "Over the next twenty to thirty years, effectively we want to attempt to double the size of all the cities in population terms outside of Dublin. The population of Ireland will certainly grow by an extra million people. Linked to that estimate is that half of that number won't have been born in Ireland"”




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Given that multiculturalism is always the product of Imperialism or extreme free market economics, you should be.


    Unfortunately a lot of the activists class benefit from the neo liberal economy.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is this genuine or a wind-up? If it’s legitimate, I know what I’d be telling that Ukrainian family.

    I really hope that we haven’t imported tens of thousands of ingrates, who plan to shaft us for every cent possible.

    Mind you, having seen Michael Martin’s embarrassingly incoherent mumbling in the European Parliament, when challenged on migration, is it any wonder this country is possibly been taken for a ride.

    The irony is that it took a Swedish politico of all people, to challenge our sniveling ‘leader’ on migration. The lunatics truly are running the asylum..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I actually like to know who the housing officer or indeed what state body was involved in the housing of 14 Ukrainian women (some teenagers) in a disused (15 years) B&B in my village in the middle of nowhere and a further 8 living in the B&B owners private house, all these refugees are being hidden from sight, they are only seen at P/O once a week and when they are collected 3 times a week by a private bus to bring them shopping to the nearest town, 19km away. Absolutely no mingling, no interaction with locals the entire arrangement clouded in mystery and arranged over Social Media.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    My husband is not Irish born , my good friend is not Irish born , my neighbour is not Irish born . I have 5 nieces and nephews married to non Irish born .We have a fabulous diverse family when we all meet up . Do you object to all these people living in this country ?

    Is it ok that they are Dutch and Scottish and French and German ? Or are you less welcoming to those who are not West European ?



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The poster mentioned a housing officer, which would suggest a Council official. I’m just curious as to which council is offering houses to Ukrainians with such large families, as most councils won’t have children sharing bedrooms.

    I know from my own volunteering activities that a lot of the accommodation assigned to Ukrainians is far below the standard that housing authorities would allow. I also find that most Ukrainians prefer stay with their own. They don’t want to put down roots as they’re hoping that their stay will be a short one. It’s what we all hope, but I don’t think will happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Fair enough, I didn't see the post re housing officer so apologies.

    What alarms me is beyond official placement in Hotel or Sanctioned accommodation and there is genuine concern about the arrangement in my local village particularly it would seem to keep the Refugee's away from public view. I've personally knowledge of the B&B in question which apart from being disused for 15 years has pretty poor facilities and very run down, the arrangement for a further 8 women in a private house also occupied by owner (no family) is also open to question. Whatever about a private bus also being put on, I do not exaggerate the location these people have been placed in, is extraordinary, they can't even be accommodated by local GP

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Local charity shops refusing any goods that are secondhand as Ukrainians refusing stuff, only new is needed, not even books will be taken. (Children's picture books so no language needed). It's beyond belief tbh.

    The war has been going on with over 100 days. Anyone that was in fear of their lives have left their country by now. Anyone arriving here from now on is taking the p*** and here for the gravy train we have to offer. This pandering to Ukrainans needs to stop, welfare needs to stop, checks need to take place, means testing needs to start.



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  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I hope that they came through official channels. I understand that all accommodation is vetted before being assigned. Unfortunately, you will always get some greedy sh*##@rs who will take mean advantage of others misfortune. Are there children involved? If so, I’d act on any concerns and contact Tusla or talk to the local Gardai.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


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    Very specific places there mate. What's wrong with tallaght, finglas, or anywhere outside of Dublin actually. I thought you're fleeing a warzone. 😁



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    “means testing needs to start.” Means testing is already taking place when refugees start working, which most of them seem willing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    What's wrong with anywhere in the country as long as I'm safe? Nah. I fear this crowd, not all but a good chunk of them, will be digging heels in and demanding their human rights soon enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    They've been here it would seem for two month's, I'd assume there is official involvement as they are collecting SW at local PO.

    I actually tried to engage with them outside the post office and they were moved along by what appeared to be a guide or leader. Other locals have also tried to engage only to be discouraged, truely bizzare set up, whatever is going on.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    When they start working. And only what bank accounts and assets they declare.

    There are no checks into their financial status beforehand, or after employment. We are at the mercy of what the information they give us, which, coming from one if the most corrupt countries in eastern Europe, doesn't give great confidence to believe them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Means Testing, it would seem to me to be utterly impossible for Ukranian Refugees, already DSP has waived a number of eligibility criteria and freely admit that on their own website. In fact, nothing can be verified, Residency in Ukraine on dates applicable to EU directive, Education status (enrollment in Ukrainian Universities), Driving licences (2 a penny on the Internet) and how non Ukrainian citizens being covered under the EU directive are being vetted is a complete mystery.

    Whilst most right thinking people support within reason, the free for all approach without adequate ability to verify anything is alarming, open and unfettered access to welfare supports should not have been permitted a more structured level of support with minimum abilitiy to abuse the system would have been far more sensible.

    In essence the Government has invited 35k and likely much more to enter the country with Zero controls in place and now there's a push by MEP"s to push for fast track EU membership for Ukraine.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It is bizarre alright. I’d still have a word with the local Garda. I’d rather be seen as a nosey b than keep quiet about something that seems as iffy as that situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    As it states because his family is there .Very very understandable in the circumstances .He was not insisting he was asking . My god if I had to flee to Ukraine aged 64 I too would be longing to be beside my family . If you found yourself having to move to Kyiv would you know where the expensive areas were or would you simply ask about living near family ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Unfortunately requests into local TD'S being greeted with deafening silence and our Garda station part time = No Time

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    While verifying and even trying to access bank records etc is impossible, I’d rather they be given some support than left with no means of support. Unfortunately, as it’s a EU directive, we have to give full welfare without question. Thankfully, those in employment are moving away from being dependent on welfare. Medical cards will be reviewed in the coming months also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    People forget this, the amount that will and are working.


    We are in an inflation crisis and this is important to help moderate wage growth from running too fast.


    The days of unions are over, closed shops and the owner having to go to the floor to beg for a return to work.


    There is always someone else now, so do a good job and get on with it.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Most small or part time Garda stations are part of a bigger division. Our local station in Clonmel has responsibility for numerous smaller rural stations. As I said, if you are concerned, don’t sit on it and possibly have regrets down the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I've no issue with an appropriate level of support, but what's happening is neither appropriate or remotely logical IMO, a cap really needs to be considered and ASAP the whole housing situation is beyond breaking point and how government can continue to justify the vast sums being spent without any vetting is worse than alarming, its shocking.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    A, Clonmel, know it well, went to Rockwell outside Cahir.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,814 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    He’s in Ukraine how the **** would he know tallaght



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They'll never allow Ukraine to join the EU.


    What MEPs push for is irrelevant.


    I think they should be allowed join and quickly.


    It's a complete non runner in the commission, in Berlin, Den Haag, Vienna, Rome and afew smaller.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    O I'm fully aware what MEP'S push for is irrelevant, it really just virtue signalling.

    Curious to know why you'd want Ukraine fast tracked for membership though 🤔 at a basic governance level and before this crisis an application would fail, I'd be very , very surprised if they get membership, let alone fast tracked, apart from anything, Membership would insure the EU foots the whopping bill to rebuild Ukraine, there's not a chance in hell that's going to happen.

    I believe the EU & world leadership generally thought this would be over quickly, that was foolish in the extreme, this is not ending any time soon and that's about the only thing anyone can be really sure of.

    This won't be anything like bank bailouts , IMF and Greece , I'd shudder to think what this crisis is going to cost financially in the end and this not to take away from the loss of life and brutally being witnessed daily .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The shifting East of the centre mass of the EU. As is, Germany is now verging on parish status in Eastern Europe due to its double talk on Ukraine and friendship to Russia.


    For many the Ukrainians are seen as narrow nationalists, traditional, not flexible for corporate needs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I think when things calm down (if ever) we'll see the true side of Germany, France & UK , Zelenskyy might struggle to fund many friends when it come to footing the bill.

    I can almost predict , when Putin achieves whatever warped goals he has, there'll be talks, invites to Moscow, Paris & London , mutual kissing of hands and the Trio of nations will suddenly forget about Ukraine, we've been hear before on a lessor scale admittedly.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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