How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

mikeecho · 07-06-2022 11:01AM

Just standing around getting a puncher repaired, and the guy next to me works for a home heating oil company, he just told me to expect a 6¢ increase by the weekend for diesel.

Pussyhands · 07-06-2022 11:20AM

Salesman told me he's not noticed any drop in cars on the road.

This is the data from 2022 for selected Dublin roads. Russia invaded in Week 9, prices started to boom in week 10. Week 11 there was a fair drop in volume but then increased again after that. In fact, week 17 (beginning 8th April), average weekly volume hit 560k, which is greater than any week in 2021.

2021

Pussyhands · 07-06-2022 11:42AM

In fact, this is average 7 day hourly volume in May 2019 compared to May 2022. May 2022 is the grey version

07-06-2022 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168543#Comment_119168543

A lot of people act as though the vast majority are using their cars for non essential journeys or commutes were there is better alternatives.

In most cases that is rubbish though. People are in cars because they have to be mainly due to the housing crisis and poor public transport.

Nobody actually wants a car loan, insurance, tax, maintenance fees, tolls and fuel costs.

harmless · 07-06-2022 12:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168719#Comment_119168719

You'll have a difficult time convincing people that Ireland's car culture is to blame and not taxes and fuel prices.

People that I know who want better public transport infrastructure do not own cars.

UsBus · 07-06-2022 03:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168459#Comment_119168459

I wonder what price does it have to get to before major protests start like the French yellow vests..?

Or do people just start calling in sick on masse and then major jumps in dole queues..?

mikeecho · 07-06-2022 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169945#Comment_119169945

The nurses. Garda, army, who have to show up to work will be treated like rear bovine ejeculant, as always

Public service workers who have to turn up, will bear the brunt of high fuel prices, and will get fueck all as thanks, maybe a clap. Bula Bos all round.

Dole merchant's will get increased payments. Tis a great lil country.

There'll be no protest till the Dole merchants get out of pocket., Who else has time to protest .

God forbid their extra payments are late. But public servants... Who gives a shut about them.

Gant21 · 07-06-2022 04:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170075#Comment_119170075

Either be first or third class citizen in Ireland. Increase the dole for those that don’t work to ensure they definitely won’t work now.

iColdFusion · 07-06-2022 05:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168719#Comment_119168719

Totally agree, even the people that like cars would prefer to drive them for enjoyment at weekends not stuck in traffic on the daily commute.

If car ownership was cheap there could be a valid argument that people are just lazy but car and car ownership has always been ridiculously expensive here compared to even the UK, VRT and high motor taxes being the main pains.

mikeecho · 07-06-2022 05:50PM

As much as i despise the current price 9f fuel, I think we have entered an era of €2 being the norm.

I remember when it bit triple digits, 100.⁹/l.

There was outrage. Truck drivers protested.

And what was the outcome.. Nothing but more duty, more vat, and carbon tax.

Get used to high fuel prices.

Sadly ice cars are a relic of the past.

In The mean time prepare for shortages.

DaveyDave · 07-06-2022 06:18PM

Just looking at my fill ups before Covid, 1.45 a litre for petrol in early 2020. 65c a litre more now, madness.

macvin · 07-06-2022 08:44PM

One "advantage" is that these high prices are worldwide and Ireland is in the "cheaper" half of the European prices.

With it affecting so many economies including the USA where diesel is over €1.50/litre ($6+ per US gallon of 3.8l) and petrol is over €1.30/litre, something will be done at a world level to change things.

The gougers are refineries who are currently getting almost $60 to refine a barrel of oil into fuel. Last June it was just over $5!!!

Now THAT'S price gouging.

WishUWereHere · 07-06-2022 08:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119171278#Comment_119171278

Ok, but how many of those countries have road tax also? AFAIK, Germany’s high price includes a levy in lieu of road tax.

Summer2020 · 07-06-2022 08:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168719#Comment_119168719

Agree 100%. What does it take for a f*cking proper metro system to be built in Dublin. None of this Luas rubbish which interacts with streets and slows to a crawl.

An absolute embarrassment of a public transport system in Dublin. Car use could be massively reduced with a proper underground system.

07-06-2022 08:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119171278#Comment_119171278

Regarding refineries, it's important to note that their major cost, gas, has shot up also

Danzy · 07-06-2022 09:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119171278#Comment_119171278

It's not price gouging. It's down to the price of gas, used in refining crude.

If only it was price gouging.

jackboy · 07-06-2022 09:11PM

It will be 3€ a litre very soon and it won’t be stopping there.

malinheader · 07-06-2022 09:14PM

Aw well the wage increase comes next.

At least we will all be getting an increase in wages to reflect the cost of living.

Indestructable · 07-06-2022 09:25PM

I don't think the government will intervene again. They'll want demand to drop and increased prices will help with that.

Car will become essential trips only for most. The cost of the journey to the cinema, restaurant, beach etc will need to be factored in. Just won't be affordable for a lot of people. It's getting tough out there.

Seth Brundle · 07-06-2022 09:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119171298#Comment_119171298

Agree 100%. What does it take for a f*cking proper metro system to be built in Dublin. None of this Luas rubbish which interacts with streets and slows to a crawl.

It takes a bucket load of money which we simply don't have.

An absolute embarrassment of a public transport system in Dublin. Car use could be massively reduced with a proper underground system.

Do remember that many attempts to reallocate road space towards public transport and active transport are met with massive amounts of hostility by residents groups, the media and so on. Look at Fairview where it is claimed by the media etc that €20 million is being spent on a cycle lane (but they fail to mention the quality bus corridor or what is using the bulk of the cost - water mains replacement). Even a jeweller was put forward as a victim whose business was forced to close because of the work even though he announced it on the day the works were announced.

On the whole, we don't really want the improvements because it is easier to use our cars. We want everyone else to get out of their cars but many still believe that they should be allowed to quickly nip down to the shop or drop the kids to school. Obviously prices haven't hit a level where the bulk of drivers think that maybe they should not take the car out unnecessarily.

UsBus · 07-06-2022 10:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168459#Comment_119168459

That increase has just happened today. A number of garages I passed on the way to work this morning were up 7c more for diesel in the afternoon. Maybe there is another 6c going on it by the weekend. Getting close to the tipping point for many now.

malinheader · 08-06-2022 12:45PM

How come there is not much protesting from the hauliers and likes. Seems very strange to me. Unless some kind of deal has been made.

MojoMaker · 08-06-2022 12:49PM

€2.00 currently everywhere in Dublin and that's with the 15c off diesel and 20c off petrol. When that stops....yikes.

malinheader · 08-06-2022 12:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119173649#Comment_119173649

Diesel €2.16 to €2.20 mostly in Donegal.

malinheader · 08-06-2022 12:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119171566#Comment_119171566

I live rural and no car would mean no job as we have not got a proper working public transport of any kind. So a car is a necessity not a luxury for us

08-06-2022 12:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119173681#Comment_119173681

Not a criticism directed at you personally, but the planning laws that allowed one-off housing have caused this massive reliance on cars in rural areas. There is no amount of PT funding that would be able to provide a good service to rural housing due to its low density

Seth Brundle · 08-06-2022 01:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119173681#Comment_119173681

My post was referring to urban based people. If someone made the choice to live in a rural area, they did so knowing that public transport options were limited if any.

You however are not representative of the majority of people who chose to live in higher density [urban] areas where many of the journeys made by car do not need to be made by car: they are deliberate choices which favour convenience over everything else.

08-06-2022 01:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119173727#Comment_119173727

The roads in the morning are jammed with people driving in from the suburbs, as far out even as Naas, Lucan, Maynootj etc, and these all are served by public transport. That’ll be where there’s a tipping point with fuel costs driving changes in behaviour. Convenience is going to get very expensive

HBC08 · 08-06-2022 01:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170661#Comment_119170661

I was paying €1.12 a litre of diesel in April 2020!

waterwelly · 08-06-2022 01:35PM

I just had a look on AA and in 1998 petrol was about €1.10. In the guts of a quarter of a century the price has hardly doubled. Fuel is still relatively cheap over the past 25 years compared to the price of a house, a pint or a bag of taytos.

In fact its probably been under priced for too long and people have taken on jobs with long commutes, built or bought big houses that will be expensive to heat etc.

Really people need to cut their fuel consumption by changing jobs, installing pv panels etc. instead of protesting and complaining.

How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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