Orange order/Linfield FC

This is absolutely hilarious, in a very dark way.

I have throughly condemned the mocking of the McAreaveys as any normal person would.

Whereas you came on here and blamed victims of IRA terrorism for their own butchering.

Get off the stage.

How do you square that belief with the fact I despise the Orange Order?

One cannot be serious about ending hate in Northern Ireland unless one recognises that both sides perpetuate it.

Again I repeat, both extremes are as bad as each other.

But there are several posters here who are under the impression that "our side" doesn't have extremism at all. That's the politics of eternal victimhood and the fantasy that "our side" is eternally virtuous. That's the sort of fantasy believed by Vladimir Putin.

Using a horrible incident such as this to paint the entirety of "themmuns" as barbaric savages and paint your side as eternally virtuous - when the extremists of your side engage in the same thing - is not a good faith attempt to paint an accurate analysis of the state of Northern Ireland society.

It's base tribalism.

Call out the **** by all means, but it can't be one sided.

Some Shinner with a long history of pulling daft gags, stuck a sliced pan on his head, the connection is so **** tenous that only in Nordieland would anyone have made it. Why the **** would a SF politician knowingly mocked an atrocity that the Shinners tip toe around and even the Provos refused to acknowledge?

Big difference to singing about a woman being murdered, but you know that and don't care. No reach is too far when whatabouting for Loyalisms own peculiar brand of hooligan culture

OK so you believe it's perfectly fine to mock the victims of the worst sectarian atrocity of the entire Troubles, even when somebody who is a member of the movement that perpetrated it does the mocking.

People like you are the problem.

Definitons tend to be exclusionary by their nature, We've had a fairly clear idea of what it means to be Irish for most of the history of the Irish people on this Island, despite the best efforts of the English to destroy that meaning.

He's allowed his opinion on what it means to be Irish, just as you are. Are you exclusionary because you disagree with him? You must have an idea of what you believe being Irish is, would that make you exclusionary? You have shown yourself to be exclusionary. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is attacked and treated as 'other'. Are the OO not exclusionary? They are literally so by definition. You saw what that group engaged in in Linfield, you saw them all laughing and applauding and you came in here to use the issue to whatabout nationalists you don't agree with, treating them as 'other'. Thats exclusionary.

I was using it as a way to distinguish from everyone else. Point taken.